VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Rehwyn]

I'm reasoning from the perspective of a player who bought the game in steam in 2030-2035 after it came out.
If you look at it that way, and not in the format of annual updates, when we have the opportunity to replay the game 10 times, the game does not withstand any criticism.
And that's not an answer to the claim. The player is not a prophet and he could not have known about Jade. It's his fault for not knowing.

Actions can have unknown consequences. Having sex with a teacher and married woman is likely to have them, even if in this case the specific consequence is unexpected. It's a risky decision in general.

If this was just a porn game that could be glossed over. But it was pretty clear to me from fairly early that DPC wants to tell an adult drama story. Since then I've approached every decision I've made from the perspective of "my main LI(s) might likely find out about this," at least on runs where I care about the main relationship.

 

[dontehall2023]

They could still be in an open/polyamorous (not throuple) relationship, just like I opted with Sarah. Or because of the threesome MC decides to go on a more serious relationship with Cathy.

I don't disagree. My initial post was a question. That list is just what I think. I'm sure some probably would think Tara, Tiffani, Heather, Elena, Sandy, Karen, & Becky could get paths.

 

[den_tiger]

Of course he still feels guilty, but now he just doesn't have anyone to share this with.

so the only advantage of that route is that you can still have sex with Jade?

 

[Chalk boss]

Then again, the player should have an idea that having sex with a teacher could/will bite him in the ass. Being Sage's adopted mother is just icing on the cake.

There are no hints or clues in the game that Jade might be Sage's mother.
If the player had learned in ep4, for example, that Jade was Sage's mother, he could have decided to go with her or not, and that would have been a reasonable action for the player to take.
“Jade, Sage's mother, I can't do that to her. She'll be upset to find out I fucked Jade. Even if we're not dating.”
“Jade, Sage's mother. Sage said she's not interested in having a relationship with me. I think she'll understand. Besides Jade is a hot woman.”
In that case, I had no questions or complaints for him.

 

[Chillout1984]

Becky

I think sex with Arieth is still more likely than a Becky path at this point

 

[TomUK]

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I don't think I got that top scene in any of my runs.

 

[Chillout1984]

There are no hints or clues in the game that Jade might be Sage's mother.
If the player had learned in ep4, for example, that Jade was Sage's mother, he could have decided to go with her or not, and that would have been a reasonable action for the player to take.
“Jade, Sage's mother, I can't do that to her. She'll be upset to find out I fucked Jade. Even if we're not dating.”
“Jade, Sage's mother. Sage said she's not interested in having a relationship with me. I think she'll understand. Besides Jade is a hot woman.”
In that case, I had no questions or complaints for him.

Like I said: Knowing she's Sage's mother shouldn't really make a difference imo. You should already know it's a bad idea because she's a teacher.

 

[Chalk boss]

Actions can have unknown consequences. Having sex with a teacher and married woman is likely to have them, even if in this case the specific consequence is unexpected. It's a risky decision in general.

If this was just a porn game that could be glossed over. But it was pretty clear to me from fairly early that DPC wants to tell an adult drama story. Since then I've approached every decision I've made from the perspective of "my main LI might likely find out about this," at least on runs where I care about the main relationship.

Yes, he did it for cheap drama in the vein of American teen shows and soap operas.
If you're saying that sex with a married woman is bad by definition, then maybe you should have also penalized the player for a potential affair with Bella?

 

[treechild1]

You do have access to ~99 pages of saves. Lots of room if you break down about 1-2 pages per LI and save at various stages as the story progresses. Then if you decisions actually have *gasp* ramifications, then you can load a previous save.

I think most that like open world choice-based decisions like to see that decisions actually impact the game. Otherwise just read a kinetic novel where there are no decisions and no ramifications.

You know what will be hilarious (?!)
If all of this modding and save manipulating doesn’t matter for squat! One story path, few choices really matter. Just pick who you want on that journey. Hopefully, they are still in the story by the end. Plus, not everyone has the time or patience to explore every path like you suggest. The reader should be able to make choices as they go and enjoy the journey of their original decisions. The fact that so many people are modding and catering paths to force fit outcomes that we don’t even know will matter yet, tells me that we either expect too much from this story, or that this AVN has a fundamental design flaw.

 

[dontehall2023]

I think sex with Arieth is still more likely than a Becky path at this point

I included her as a joke, just like she is.

 

[TomUK]

Cammy is also a freshman, that makes constant interaction easier with MC.

Between her and Sarah, Mel's always been the sweeter of the two. While the more romantic-ish moments happen in Season 3, she's definitely much more physically interested in MC than Sarah in the first two seasons.

Do you know, I've recently done a couple of full runs from the beginning again and to be honest, Mel comes across as more of a bitch than Sarah, of the two I prefer Mel, but she isn't as sweet as people make out.

 

[Chalk boss]

Like I said: Knowing she's Sage's mother shouldn't really make a difference imo. You should already know it's a bad idea because she's a teacher.

Bella is also a teacher and a married woman. Is it bad to fuck Bella? If so, where are my consequences?

 

[Rehwyn]

Yes, he did it for cheap drama in the vein of American teen shows and soap operas.
If you're saying that sex with a married woman is bad by definition, then maybe you should have also penalized the player for a potential affair with Bella?

Perhaps, though the circumstances are slightly different since Bella's husband seems to be out of the picture likely permanently and the impression is she's married only on paper at this point. And while I haven't played her path yet, the fact that she's married and a teacher seems to come up a lot and cause tension. We also might be seeing some consequences of that in Episode 12 too.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I've said this before. My biggest complaint with DPC in terms of branch creation is that it doesn't allow you to play the way the player wants and doesn't give you the right to make mistakes.
Let's say the game is already out. I've never played it and decided to try to play it from start to finish.
I didn't know that Jade was Sage's mother, and besides, she said she wasn't interested in a relationship, so it was logical to assume that sex with Jade was just a one-time fling.
Then it turns out having sex with Jade is a terrible sin. But the player is not a prophet and can't get inside the head of DPC. But the game is designed in such a way that if you didn't know about it and didn't assume it, you're still guilty.
It's stupid. It's doubly stupid that the player can't tell Sage the whole truth and move on, but for some strange reason, for the sake of drama, DPC puts everything off until the Season 3 finale. Why it's the finale is understandable. The game will count ts and based on them give a verdict to the player.
If a player has a lot of ts, there is always Camilla (she kindly said that if he breaks up with Sage she will be there for him), Melanie, Zoey (even rejected!), maybe Josy.
Now the game is turning into basically counting ts instead of enjoying the game.
Anything all fans do is reading code instead of enjoying.
Have you felt a few asses? That's it - now you can't tell Josy you love her.
What the hell is this?
It's pretty funny to see that DPС himself realizes this and posted this funny meme. It basically forces players to replay the entire game instead of enjoying a blind run.

I once played a famous game. There was a choice that led to unexpected consequences and often you wanted to do the best, but your actions would led to terrible consequences. How could I know that the desire to save children from witches by releasing the spirit of the forest would lead to the nearest village being exterminated by this spirit, and Baron Philip Stenger would hang himself from grief, because the witches would turn his wife Anna into a monster. Or that the decision to save the sorcerers from Novigrad would lead to another witch hunt, only this time against other minorities.
Was I angry, upset about this? No. Such is life. An action that seems right and innocent to you can lead to sad consequences. DPC games are like that. A seemingly ordinary action can backfire on you. And this distinguishes BaDIK and AL from thousands of other wanking games and one of the reasons why the game stands out from the rest.
ElectronicRoberts recently posted a 200 page fan guide to BaDIK that he made himself. Name me one game that inspires people to do this. Look at it this way.

 

[ffive]

There are no hints or clues in the game that Jade might be Sage's mother.

I'd say the game intentionally goes out of its way to hide it, all for the sake of dramatic reveal and some cheap drama a few episodes down the road.

Because like, are we supposed to believe that everyone in the college is only thinking of Sage in terms of "Sage Morgan, a random nobody" and not "Sage Morgan-Burke, the daughter of the dean"? And that she is never mentioned/talked about in this context? Same for Jade, being the wife of the university's big honcho is something that'd be obviously brought up early and more than once, in any normal environment.

Realistically Fuckface would know about the connection between those two (and Jade's husband) shortly after he met/heard about the both of them.

 

[TomUK]

Right, I remember it affects her presence at Patrick's. But I was trying to remember why MC told Josy in the first place. If I remember right, it's because he wasn't certain whether to tell Sage or not. On the one hand, Sage deserved to know but on the other hand it was going to hurt her. If I remember right, that's why he considered telling Josy to get her advice.

I only told both Josy and Sage on my Jill run and that was the only run that Sage came as well and also the only run I failed to get the contract. All my other runs I didn't tell Josy, but told Sage and Sage doesn't come to the dinner and I get the contract every time. I always choose the middle option when confronting Patrick's abuse of Maya and I don't over elaborate when saying what the mc is thankful for.

 

[TomUK]

Mel is so damned hot, She's by far my favorite SG.

Only without the make-up.

 

[Rehwyn]

I only told both Josy and Sage on my Jill run and that was the only run that Sage came as well and also the only run I failed to get the contract. All my other runs I didn't tell Josy, but told Sage and Sage doesn't come to the dinner and I get the contract every time. I always choose the middle option when confronting Patrick's abuse of Maya and I don't over elaborate when saying what the mc is thankful for.

To be clear, I had no problem getting the contracts on my main save, which is a JM throuple CHICK path. I was always polite to Patrick early on, told both Josy and Sage about Chad, only chose "he let's me be who I am" or whatever, and did the CHICK major decision. I'm pretty sure I ended with 0 suspicion (gained one for the one dinner comment, but it was countered by Sage being there).

I only mentioned it here because I was trying to remember the circumstances when MC told Josy about Chad.

 

[TomUK]

I chose Jade & omitted Cathy because I thought Jade was more important to the story. You have more interactions with Jade than Cathy. And with Cathy being disconnected from B&R, I figured there would be more hoops to keep their interactions believable.

To be honest, if you're going down the Jade path, then you should include Cathy as it looks like that might be more fun than a plain Jade path.

 

[treechild1]

I'm reasoning from the perspective of a player who bought the game in steam in 2030-2035 after it came out.
If you look at it that way, and not in the format of annual updates, when we have the opportunity to replay the game 10 times, the game does not withstand any criticism.
And that's not an answer to the claim. The player is not a prophet and he could not have known about Jade. It's his fault for not knowing.

This is why I am becoming increasingly against releasing unfinished works in chapters and seasons. How many aren’t completed or abandoned? How many stories fall flat (because of high expectations)? Sigh… I’m just as frustrated as everyone else that we have to wait (for who knows how long) for a little closure on at least some of this story. I’m still invested and that’s good for DPC. But, I also am increasingly cautious of starting any other incomplete episodic game. (that’s bad for them, I guess? Maybe me, as I might be missing the start of something great?) I’m losing all my patience as I get older…