VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Hanomarkhan]

The discussions on the dynamics of the girls in the group are very interesting and, now that we've FINALLY finished the Maya arc of the student loan, it's possible to take a step back on the evolution of the story and these relationships through these characters, in particular, Josy.
Already, I think everyone agrees that Josy's character poses a problem in her own evolution. Unlike the other girls, her only background is her relationship with Maya, apart from that, she has no story, apart from her permanent love affair with the MC, which had been highlighted in these forum pages, clearly, since episode 9 following the different route variants, except on the famous route, because "ALADY, what else"... of course

Her recent questioning and evolution (fashion, social networks) seems to come out of nowhere and is very artificial (and makes Josy appear even more superficial, which doesn't help her). It seems that Dr Pinkcake isn't stupid, he too saw the problem, and as we can clearly see the moment of definitive choice coming at the end of the story with Zoé's ultimatum so he wanted to introduce, a story thread of his own for Josy since this season 3, a clean and viable evolution without Maya, something he should have done, as for all the other girls, from the beginning of the story, hence the completely wobbly aspect compared to the others. This is all the more obvious if you've been on the road to the pair's break-up since the end of season 2.

That's just for the Josy case, but there are so many other inconsistencies in the story that appear with hindsight... but, I remain attached to the characters, disregarding the rest, but when these inconsistencies influence the behavior of these characters... it's difficult, I could also have written another paving stone on Sage, Quinn and Maya that I adore, so much to say.

 

[Rehwyn]

I wonder if Chad will have made the connection with when Sage gave him the chance to be honest one last time, but he still didn't.

Might take some time, but it wouldn't surprise me if he eventually reframes that conversation with the understanding she already knew.

 

[cooldevo]

Do Jill and Bella serve as legal advisors? In the end they just repeat what they had said before

Jill offered the use of her family lawyer, I think she'd be smart enough to NOT offer legal advice... as that in and of itself can become a legal issue.

The timelines are often a bit quirky in the game. Sometimes between scenes it's concurrent with the previous one and other times it appears days have passed between what we actually see. I try to use the parties they plan as a rough timeline give or take a few days here and there.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Agreed that the decision to share that info is probably better left to Sage, but once the decision to share it with Josy was made I think it's better to be honest about her knowing. It'll probably come out sooner or later, and the longer it's been, the more it'll probably hurt.

Edit: It's been a while since I played Episode 8, but wasn't the decision to tell Josy partially to get advice on if MC should tell Sage about Chad? That makes it more excusable in my book.

The decision to tell Josy in Ep.8 only affects Sage presence on Patrick heist, which reduces his suspicion by -1. So it's the right decision, which gives MC a better chance of stealing the papers. You can choose whether to tell Sage about Chad and Troy or not.

 

[KАRАMBA]

did Quinn and Ryona really deserve all that? seems over the top ngl

This is the price of Holiness.
The Church cannot be built without suffering.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Yup...for sure now...

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[Donnerbox]

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Such a smoke show

 

[Chillout1984]

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I do wonder why out of nowhere (to me at least) she seems to have fallen for him starting with season 3 (although we already know of her "competition" with Sarah since at least the dorm party).

Except for their sex scenes they don't seem to have much contact with each other. At least Camila still joins him and his group often and also shares a class. Even during parties their chats seem to be minimum.

 

[The Krogan Dude]

Her recent questioning and evolution (fashion, social networks) seems to come out of nowhere and is very artificial (and makes Josy appear even more superficial, which doesn't help her).

It's hard to see any potential with her path. Her becoming an influencer and gaining consequent sponsorship could have solved Maya's money situation but like you said her student loan arc is already finished. She only stands out with negative traits. Her insecurities, her jealousy, her obsession. Maybe DPC thought that giving her a new hobby would make her less dull and more confident but what she really needed was a real arc.

 

[Igetby]

Only Derek knows about the physical abuse but as of the library planning meeting, Sage, Jill and Bella all know that Patrick is threatening Maya's education funding because she's dating Josy. True, we don't know how much Maya shared but they (especially Jill) could have interpreted what's going on as a form of psychological abuse or "bullying." Yes, Maya's tuition plot is extremely forced overall and glad that's over. All things considered, outside of certain paths, the MG group just doesn't seem that forced imo. DPC could have given no signs whatsoever that they were all interacting and then it would have really seemed forced.

Yeah, on the college blackmail storyline issue. I finished that part last night and I kept thinking "just get a student loan" glad that is over with.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I do wonder why out of nowhere (to me at least) she seems to have fallen for him starting with season 3 (although we already know of her "competition" with Sarah since at least the dorm party).

Except for their sex scenes they don't seem to have much contact with each other. At least Camila still joins him and his group often and also shares a class. Even during parties their chats seem to be minimum.

Cammy is also a freshman, that makes constant interaction easier with MC.

Between her and Sarah, Mel's always been the sweeter of the two. While the more romantic-ish moments happen in Season 3, she's definitely much more physically interested in MC than Sarah in the first two seasons.

 

[Rehwyn]

The decision to tell Josy in Ep.8 only affects Sage presence on Patrick heist, which reduces his suspicion by -1. So it's the right decision, which gives MC a better chance of stealing the papers. You can choose whether to tell Sage about Chad and Troy or not.

Right, I remember it affects her presence at Patrick's. But I was trying to remember why MC told Josy in the first place. If I remember right, it's because he wasn't certain whether to tell Sage or not. On the one hand, Sage deserved to know but on the other hand it was going to hurt her. If I remember right, that's why he considered telling Josy to get her advice.

 

[ModiThorrson]

Yup...for sure now...

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Mel is so damned hot, She's by far my favorite SG.

 

[treechild1]

did Quinn and Ryona really deserve all that? seems over the top ngl

Nobody “deserves” anything like that. Thankfully, this is fiction. You can’t have a (decent) story without conflict. Apparently, we also need deep drama in our porn novels. For variety’s sake. Also, many people find pure happy paragon stories lame and boring. So, there you go. DPC (and Jillybean) warned us, we should take them at their word. This ride isn’t going to be for everyone. I agree, however, that getting us to care for characters and then having us watch them suffer, sucks…

 

[dontehall2023]

How many relationship paths do you think are going to ultimately exist in this game?

I count;

Bella
Bianca
Camila
Cinderella
Jade
Jill
Josy
Lily
Maya
Melanie
Nicole
Nora
Quinn
Riona
Sage
Sally
Zoey

 

[Better Cock Spock]

How many relationship paths do you think are going to ultimately exist in this game?

I count;

Bella
Bianca
Camila
Cinderella
Jade
Jill
Josy
Lily
Maya
Melanie
Nicole
Nora
Quinn
Riona
Sage
Sally
Zoey

Cathy and Sarah. Also, if we're calling relationships "an on going thing" at minimum, Tara might become another fuckbuddy.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Right, I remember it affects her presence at Patrick's. But I was trying to remember why MC told Josy in the first place. If I remember right, it's because he wasn't certain whether to tell Sage or not. On the one hand, Sage deserved to know but on the other hand it was going to hurt her. If I remember right, that's why he considered telling Josy to get her advice.

He was shocked by what he saw and detached from reality during training, which Josy noticed and began to ask what was going on, then we have a choice to tell her or not. Josy didn't give a clear answer whether to tell Sage, she said that she wouldn't want to be in his situation at all.

 

[Chillout1984]

How many relationship paths do you think are going to ultimately exist in this game?

I count;

Bella
Bianca
Camila
Cinderella
Jade
Jill
Josy
Lily
Maya
Melanie
Nicole
Nora
Quinn
Riona
Sage
Sally
Zoey

Maybe even an open/polyamorous relationship path with Sarah.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Jill offered the use of her family lawyer, I think she'd be smart enough to NOT offer legal advice... as that in and of itself can become a legal issue.

The timelines are often a bit quirky in the game. Sometimes between scenes it's concurrent with the previous one and other times it appears days have passed between what we actually see. I try to use the parties they plan as a rough timeline give or take a few days here and there.

Jill offers the family lawyer's help during the Halloween party. But for now it is actually she and Bella who advise Maya from that point of view. Now in theory the lawyer is needed for the contract Maya signed with her father for the return of money spent on college. But considering that there has been a reconciliation with patrick I would say that it is no longer needed, except if it is important to find out who this lawyer is.

The problem with the whole loan storyline is that it was supposed to end with the reacquaintance with Patrick', everything in between was a boring waste of time and was counterproductive for the characters, Maya first but not only her

 

[ModiThorrson]

Nobody “deserves” anything like that. Thankfully, this is fiction. You can’t have a (decent) story without conflict. Apparently, we also need deep drama in our porn novels.

If all I wanted was a bunch of sex scenes, I'd just go to pornhub. Personally the AVN genre is of interest because mainstream media is censored, mainstream media has only recently leaned into sex amongst the drama with tshows like GoT, Shameless, etc. I get that some content shouldn't be exposed to younger people before a certain age, but that doesn't mean people should be ashamed of having a healthy interest in adult topics. So it's nice being able to read these stories, and not censor out the questionable content.