VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Chalk boss]

You might be on to something, although currently I cannot check if the sleeves match becausr I'm at work.

The groundwork for the MG group technically starts in ep 6 when Josy invites Jill to study with her, Maya and the MC. Then in ep 7, Jill invites the study group plus Derek to her recital. Ep 8's recital "introduces" Bella to interacting with the group a bit more since they all sit together to watch Jill play and then greet her together outside after the concert (MC even has the internal monologue on the group here). Ep 9 is where the MG group really starts to form when Jill and Sage bond over their shared Tybalt hate before Sage, Josy, Maya, and Bella get closer over truth or drink with Jill joining in on the "Drink! Drink! Drink!" chant later on. In ep 10, they all get on the same page about Maya's situation and formulate the Thanksgiving plan so I guess you could call it Maya's group here because it's like Ocean's Eleven? So Maya's Seven officially becomes a group. Anyway, the "celebration" party at Bella's in ep 11 leads Sage to realize she needs friends like these people. Friends willing to do just about anything to help each other (to TuckeredOut's point on found family). The "panty party" at Bella's is girl's night "gone wild" that possibly gets interrupted by the MC. Now, to solidify this group of friends, they're going to bond over Derek's chopped off finger crisis and whatever is in Bella's unlocked room. But I wouldn't say the group just became a thing this episode since it's been a slow build up of the group.

One can argue that Josy is more of the denominator of the group instead of the MC. She's with Maya. She becomes friends with Jill, her classmate. She joins the HOTs and slowly becomes friends with Sage. Jill introduced Josy to Bella on her first day of classes at B&R (admittedly this one is a stretch in favor of Josy but Jill and Bella are like a package deal here for the group).

You can also argue Sage is the glue of the MG group. She's the HOTs president and wants to be friends and help Maya and Josy. She's being thesis mentored by Bella and is the one that makes Bella play truth or drink. Then Sage and Jill become fast friends because Tybalt hate forms an unbreakable bond. Plus, Sage is the one that suggests hanging out more at Bella's with the group.

To me in general it's pretty weird that they continue to be friends considering they are all rivals.
Not to mention the dumbest thing I've seen is Josy continuing to be good friends with the other girls considering MC dumped her and Maya for Sage or Jill.
“I know he chose you and dumped me right at the party, but what can you do, he follows his heart. So let's just forget it and move on as friends.”
WTF? Didn't DPC brag about his excellent knowledge of female psychology.

 

[Chillout1984]

It's actually done in a somewhat clever way. I mean things need to happen regardless of what pth you're on. That is to say, you're going to thanksgiving regardless of if you were with Jill, Bella, Sage or the Thruple.

At least having them all friends sorta negates the need for the suspension of disbelief and the MC can now have a logical reason for things.

The only thing we still don't know yet is why Bella and Jill became such good friends (instead of just at school) in the first place, but I have a feeling that will be shown in episode 12. So far we only know snippets.

 

[Riaman]

The only thing we still don't know yet is why Bella and Jill became such good friends (instead of just at school) in the first place, but I have a feeling that will be shown in episode 12. So far we only know snippets.

I had this theory for a while, heck it's a popular theory all over BaD circle, Bella had a miscarriage, and Bella and Jill met at a mourning therapy or something, and there they bonded. With Bella about her miscarriage and missing husband and Jill about Lana.

 

[TomUK]

Lynette totally looks like a tanned Female MC, I think the only thing MC inherited from Neil was his massive Dong.

Judging by Ep 11 diary scenes I don't think the mc inherited his dong from Neil.

 

[Chillout1984]

I had this theory for a while, heck it's a popular theory all over BaD circle, Bella had a miscarriage, and Bella and Jill met at something like a mourning therapy or something, and there they bonded. With Bella about her miscarriage and missing husband and Jill about Lana.

I agree, although I think it's more that she lost a young child instead of miscarriage (hence the steps and low hanging mirror in bathroom, I doubt it's from her own childhood), but the result is the same.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The groundwork for the MG group technically starts in ep 6 when Josy invites Jill to study with her, Maya and the MC. Then in ep 7, Jill invites the study group plus Derek to her recital. Ep 8's recital "introduces" Bella to interacting with the group a bit more since they all sit together to watch Jill play and then greet her together outside after the concert (MC even has the internal monologue on the group here). Ep 9 is where the MG group really starts to form when Jill and Sage bond over their shared Tybalt hate before Sage, Josy, Maya, and Bella get closer over truth or drink with Jill joining in on the "Drink! Drink! Drink!" chant later on. In ep 10, they all get on the same page about Maya's situation and formulate the Thanksgiving plan so I guess you could call it Maya's group here because it's like Ocean's Eleven? So Maya's Seven officially becomes a group. Anyway, the "celebration" party at Bella's in ep 11 leads Sage to realize she needs friends like these people. Friends willing to do just about anything to help each other (to TuckeredOut's point on found family). The "panty party" at Bella's is girl's night "gone wild" that possibly gets interrupted by the MC. Now, to solidify this group of friends, they're going to bond over Derek's chopped off finger crisis and whatever is in Bella's unlocked room. But I wouldn't say the group just became a thing this episode since it's been a slow build up of the group.

One can argue that Josy is more of the denominator of the group instead of the MC. She's with Maya. She becomes friends with Jill, her classmate. She joins the HOTs and slowly becomes friends with Sage. Jill introduced Josy to Bella on her first day of classes at B&R (admittedly this one is a stretch in favor of Josy but Jill and Bella are like a package deal here for the group).

You can also argue Sage is the glue of the MG group. She's the HOTs president and wants to be friends and help Maya and Josy. She's being thesis mentored by Bella and is the one that makes Bella play truth or drink. Then Sage and Jill become fast friends because Tybalt hate forms an unbreakable bond. Plus, Sage is the one that suggests hanging out more at Bella's with the group.

The escalation, insane and not credible, occurred the day before the mission from Patrick.

Studying together, in the library..., and attending a performance are normal activities that do not need special construction.

What happens next much less, simplifies dpc work, give us fan service, and we accept it.

 

[Lagunavii]

The only thing we still don't know yet is why Bella and Jill became such good friends (instead of just at school) in the first place, but I have a feeling that will be shown in episode 12. So far we only know snippets.

It's not something we need to know really. People do become friends there doesn't need to be Rhyme or Reason to it...

Granted there is something fishy about a 36 year old being friends with a college girl, but they could have met at yoga, in a library or more likely a handling loss group.

 

[Chillout1984]

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I do wonder why before Quinn walked around in the same neighborhood as Bella lives the night of Halloween. Probably just a coincidence, although considering the distance she knows somebody there. Maybe someone who knows Bella as well, or she visited Bella for some reason?

 

[Silent_Dreamer]

It was the same with Nicole and Nora where could only choose to go with one of them in Episode 10 (I think it was?).

Although Nora's path was pretty non-existent in Chapter 11, except for literally one screen that had Nora and the MC look at each other in Chemistry class. So not sure if Nora's still going to be around or her breaking up was permanent.

That's the thing. Nora is not tied with any other girl. Lily clearly mentioned she doesn't want to upset Nicole and Nicole is not someone who is keen on having an open relationship.

 

[Chillout1984]

It's not something we need to know really. People do become friends there doesn't need to be Rhyme or Reason to it...

Granted there is something fishy about a 36 year old being friends with a college girl, but they could have met at yoga, in a library or more likely a handling loss group.

I disagree that we don't need to know it, seeing how DPC likes to write his storylines like a soap opera including common twists. A personal history like this is almost always important to go into detail to.

 

[BobBobb]

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To me in general it's pretty weird that they continue to be friends considering they are all rivals.
Not to mention the dumbest thing I've seen is Josy continuing to be good friends with the other girls considering MC dumped her and Maya for Sage or Jill.
“I know he chose you and dumped me right at the party, but what can you do, he follows his heart. So let's just forget it and move on as friends.”
WTF? Didn't DPC brag about his excellent knowledge of female psychology.

You'd suprised how many group of friends are formed irl by females who had an shared expirience with a guy.

 

[Chillout1984]

You'd suprised how many group of friends are formed irl by females who had an shared expirience with a guy.

Yeah, I've watched quite a few talkshows in the past about this, about groups of women that bonden together because the same guy wronged them. Usually it didn't happen that the guy still was in a relationship with 1 of them though.

 

[Lagunavii]

I disagree that we don't need to know it, seeing how DPC likes to write his storylines like a soap opera including common twists. A personal history like this is almost always important to go into detail to.

While I don't disagree that there may be something that ties them together that is linked to both Bella's locked room and Jill's loss of her sister and for story reasons we are probably going to find out.

But in general, we don't generally need to know why characters are friends. Regardless of circumstances people do meet people.

 

[Chillout1984]

Talking about soap opera plot twist: If it is true that Quinn somehow also is connected (no not necesseraliy family, I already hear the complaints) to Bella (going with Chalk's theory, why else would she go to Bella?), that could also explain why Quinn uses her library regularly for deals. Even if Bella doesn't agree with it, she might give Quinn a pass for it.

 

[jaxofalltrades]

To me in general it's pretty weird that they continue to be friends considering they are all rivals.
Not to mention the dumbest thing I've seen is Josy continuing to be good friends with the other girls considering MC dumped her and Maya for Sage or Jill.
“I know he chose you and dumped me right at the party, but what can you do, he follows his heart. So let's just forget it and move on as friends.”
WTF? Didn't DPC brag about his excellent knowledge of female psychology.

That's only if you fuck around with all of them and then break their hearts. If you get off their paths earlier and just focus on one (or just the SGs) it's not as weird. Sure Josy is clingy in her crush regardless of whether you follow the MJ path or not but she's scared of being alone so its not too far fetched that she'd want to be friends with the other MGs regardless of the MC's choices (but agree it makes more sense when you don't try for more with MJ). So the problem with this group of friends being canon is that it's weird on the full on manwhore route.

The escalation, insane and not credible, occurred the day before the mission from Patrick.

Studying together, in the library..., and attending a performance are normal activities that do not need special construction.

What happens next much less, simplifies dpc work, give us fan service, and we accept it.

The "escalation" of the group wasn't the day before the mission...Halloween is like a month before Thanksgiving when they are really starting to come together. If you consider the planning meeting in the library to be the escalation, that's like a week or so after Halloween. I'll admit we're supposed to just assume that they all continue to interact off screen in the weeks between Halloween and Thanksgiving, and off screen stuff can make relationships seem less credible since we don't see it. If you're talking about the Avengers assemble scene before they leave for Patrick's, that's the day of Thanksgiving since B&R isn't that far from the house. While that scene can come off as a little much, showing Maya support isn't insane. Jill hates bullying and Patrick was bullying Maya for being a lesbian. Bella's an adult and while she can be aloof, she's not a cold hearted bitch that she wouldn't want to show Maya support now that she knows what's up (plus she usually has Thanksgiving with Jill anyway). Josy would come to support Maya even with their crumbling relationship. Sage is either coming with to Patrick's or shows support because she still feels bad about Stephen denying Maya help.

The normal activities legitimize the friendship starting to grow between Jill, Josy and Maya (and then Bella) before ep 9. Plus, the MC has internal monologues about this growing group of friends during both the studying and greeting Jill after her performance so I think they're special enough events to note for the group bonding.

But I agree it's a handy plot device to simplify the work needed for all the branching. And while not perfect, I just don't see how the 5 MGs all becoming friends comes out of left field to some people. It was fairly easy to tell that's where DPC was heading.

 

[NewTricks]

Everybody trying to understand why the girls remain tight against all logic and reason I leave you with the wise words of the great philosopher Albert Bundy.

 

[felicemastronzo]

You'd suprised how many group of friends are formed irl by females who had an shared expirience with a guy.

One in a million, maybe less. Then there are so many situations: it's one thing if they are already friends and decide to get over it (Jill and Bella for example) , it's another thing if they are girls who want to understand why they were left.

But girls who celebrate in their underwear with their boyfriend and his exes in my opinion there are fewer than honest politicians

 

[Chalk boss]

That's only if you fuck around with all of them and then break their hearts. If you get off their paths earlier and just focus on one (or just the SGs) it's not as weird. Sure Josy is clingy in her crush regardless of whether you follow the MJ path or not but she's scared of being alone so its not too far fetched that she'd want to be friends with the other MGs regardless of the MC's choices (but agree it makes more sense when you don't try for more with MJ). So the problem with this group of friends being canon is that it's weird on the full on manwhore route.

You know, it's even funnier on the Sage and Jill branch.
Sage: Zoey is your ex-girlfriend, stop talking to her, it's disrespectful to me. Maybe I should start hanging out with Chad again.
MC: Josy's my ex-girlfriend too.
Sage:...

Talking about soap opera plot twist: If it is true that Quinn somehow also is connected (no not necesseraliy family, I already hear the complaints) to Bella (going with Chalk's theory, why else would she go to Bella?), that could also explain why Quinn uses her library regularly for deals. Even if Bella doesn't agree with it, she might give Quinn a pass for it.

Bella is Quinn's mother, and Quinn's father was the very same James!
An unexpected twist in the spirit of the best soap operas from Argentina and Brazil!

I guess DPС just thought it was better to do drug deals in a crowded place with cameras and nerds.
I don't think Quinn and Bella know each other. Quinn was just looking into Buddy's background and found out he was involved in Lana's death. Maybe she knows Lana's boyfriend and got in touch with him. Maybe she talks to him at the end.
Although I'm confused that Quinn decided to act on December 25th.

 

[Chillout1984]

You know, it's even funnier on the Sage and Jill branch.
Sage: Zoey is your ex-girlfriend, stop talking to her, it's disrespectful to me. Maybe I should start hanging out with Chad again.
MC: Josy's my ex-girlfriend too.
Sage:...



Bella is Quinn's mother, and Quinn's father was the very same James!
An unexpected twist in the spirit of the best soap operas from Argentina and Brazil!

I guess DPС just thought it was better to do drug deals in a crowded place with cameras and nerds.
I don't think Quinn and Bella know each other. Quinn was just looking into Buddy's background and found out he was involved in Lana's death. Maybe she knows Lana's boyfriend and got in touch with him. Maybe she talks to him at the end.
Although I'm confused that Quinn decided to act on December 25th.

That still wouldn't explain why Quinn would go to Bella's house though, unless Lana's boyfriend knows that Jill is good friends with Bella.

Even if she called Sage, you would think she would meet up at the hospital, hots house or somewhere public instead of visiting Bella's house on her own.

 

[felicemastronzo]

That's only if you fuck around with all of them and then break their hearts. If you get off their paths earlier and just focus on one (or just the SGs) it's not as weird. Sure Josy is clingy in her crush regardless of whether you follow the MJ path or not but she's scared of being alone so its not too far fetched that she'd want to be friends with the other MGs regardless of the MC's choices (but agree it makes more sense when you don't try for more with MJ). So the problem with this group of friends being canon is that it's weird on the full on manwhore route.


The "escalation" of the group wasn't the day before the mission...Halloween is like a month before Thanksgiving when they are really starting to come together. If you consider the planning meeting in the library to be the escalation, that's like a week or so after Halloween. I'll admit we're supposed to just assume that they all continue to interact off screen in the weeks between Halloween and Thanksgiving, and off screen stuff can make relationships seem less credible since we don't see it. If you're talking about the Avengers assemble scene before they leave for Patrick's, that's the day of Thanksgiving since B&R isn't that far from the house. While that scene can come off as a little much, showing Maya support isn't insane. Jill hates bullying and Patrick was bullying Maya for being a lesbian. Bella's an adult and while she can be aloof, she's not a cold hearted bitch that she wouldn't want to show Maya support now that she knows what's up (plus she usually has Thanksgiving with Jill anyway). Josy would come to support Maya even with their crumbling relationship. Sage is either coming with to Patrick's or shows support because she still feels bad about Stephen denying Maya help.

The normal activities legitimize the friendship starting to grow between Jill, Josy and Maya (and then Bella) before ep 9. Plus, the MC has internal monologues about this growing group of friends during both the studying and greeting Jill after her performance so I think they're special enough events to note for the group bonding.

But I agree it's a handy plot device to simplify the work needed for all the branching. And while not perfect, I just don't see how the 5 MGs all becoming friends comes out of left field to some people. It was fairly easy to tell that's where DPC was heading.

Yes I was referring to the assembled avengers, I wrote day but I meant the scene before the mission . At that time nobody but Derek knows about Patrick's abuse. Sage probably knows more about Maya's situation, but Jill and Bella there is no reason to think they know much about it. It is all extremely forced and blatant. Starting with the mission itself in that they already know that Maya has no loan in her name.

Do Jill and Bella serve as legal advisors? In the end they just repeat what they had said before