If you're on the Jill Rejects/others path she'll say something like "if you don't want him can I?“ but that's about it. Even on that path she's taken and has no idea he's cheating on her. People are really underestimating what happened on the trip.
He's had some fucking classic theories to be fair. Wasted full days reading them before. Might have been a case of struggling to understand, might have been a case of not being able to stop laughing at the stupidity of them.
But DIK Zoey just killed the vibe of the moment. I know her personality is being more sassy, aggressive, and straightforward. I always liked the DIK version of her for her brashness: returning the favor to Emma, kicking a firefighter for harassing her on the dance floor, more uninhibited dialogue. Kiled her lines. I like how she snapped at Becky while Chick Zoey ignored it. She's more fun. But at the same time, DIK Zoey is more selfish, as the love declare scene showed. I could overlook one kiss, I'm not a saint myself on some routes (Bianca), but this line: View attachment 4649560
JUST NO. By reacting this way when you tell her that “I’m already in a relationship,” Zoey makes it clear that she doesn’t care about your feelings. She’s thinking about herself. This is a red flag and immediately pushed me away. That's like ultra level of being selfish. “I don’t want you to be with me if you don’t sure” slightly improves the situation, but still leaves an unpleasant aftertaste.
I quite disagree -- i have actually loved how unapologetically selfish and all-in DIK Zoey was there, willing to put very much everything on the line. You don't really make this sort of request if you don't care about someone to the point of wanting them above all else.
But i also have a slightly different interpretation of this scene -- when Zoey says she doesn't care, i think she's responding more to what Fuckface leaves unsaid when he brings up he's in relationship. Which is, if he was to choose Zoey, then his current girlfriend would be disappointed and hurt. And i think that's more what Zoey refers to when she says she doesn't care. She puts her feelings over feelings of the other girl (and honestly, why shouldn't she) not the MC, but she is also giving Fuckface a convenient way to reduce his guilt, by "merely" accepting Zoey's request, instead of making the decision all on his own and completely unprompted. In this sense, i'm actually less impressed with Chick Zoey who basically leaves the ball completely in Fuckface's court. Even though she knows that he's a hysterical snowflake who's gonna huff and puff and triple-guess himself while moping for next two weeks.
No because as MilesEdgeworth just pointed out, the villa is the important thing here.
Variable aside, you can't even talk to her in Tommy's room on any path but Jill's or Bella's. On any other path she's still with her fella, you've built up no rapport with her you're nothing to her. There's not even a path onto it from the Jill rejects/others path in which she showed a slight bit of interest in you
If you want Bianca you're definitely hurting Jill or Bella
You flirt with her during the bowl mission. And she is also a choice during the cucumber game. She has told Jill that you are hotter in person if you helped Jill during the recital.
You guys are assuming that a path can't open up from so little interaction. What major interaction did you have with Tara or Tiffani prior to ep 11? You kissed Tara & licked Tiffani. Neither of which are canon & required to have sex with them. Same with sleeping in the bed with them. I understand they are different than Bianca.
But I would say your relationship is further than Cinderella & everyone believes a path is going to open with her in the next update.
I'm just theorizing. It matters not to me either way.
There is a change if Jill rejected you. Don't know if it will make a big difference tho but that line changes to Her saying that if Jill don't want you if she can have you.
To break it down, you need this scene to show Bianca you're serious
Without it, Bianca just knows you as a member of that funny frat that throws kick ass parties. It makes sense from a psychological standpoint. Besides others is crowded enough as is without throwing another LI into the mix
That said, I still find it hard to justify 15 months of development.
As much as I'd like to blame it on unnecessary development (we're on what, version 3 or 4 of brawler?) the real elephant in the room is animation rendering, which has by far the largest
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. As long as this is true, it doesn't matter if DPC is adding or remaking minigames or mechanics or just twiddling his thumbs because the animation queue is what he's actually waiting for.
DPC being the perfectionist he is has apparently decided to die on the hill of native 60fps / 1920x1080 animations, but I'll get to that later...
Some jimmies have been rustled in the past on the subject of lewd animations vs filler / narrative / other animations, so I decided to analyze the EP 11 animations, categorizing them as lewd / non-lewd.
Total animations: 392 (these are file counts. Some .webm files are themselves comprised of multiple animations / cuts)
Lewd
Non-Lewd
Animations
367 (93.1%)
25 (6.9 (nice) %)
Frames
99,317 (88.4%)
13,007 (11.6%)
Size (MB)
1690.2 (86.2%)
269.5 (13.8%)
When it comes to development speed, the raw frame count is going to be the scaling factor, as each frame is individually rendered. But, looking at this table, the "filler" / "narrative" animations do not actually make up that much of the total
112,324 animation frames. Cutting out non-lewd animations ENTIRELY will not move the needle significantly. The problem is much more general...
Going back to FPS...
The difference between rendering at 30 FPS and 60 FPS is literally a 100% increase in rendering time.
Several techniques are available for consideration that would drastically decrease rendering time:
AI up-scaling - Instead of rendering 1920x1080, render 960x540 (half of width and height) and upscale images by 2x. This is actually about a 75% reduction in processing required due to the total # of pixels in each frame (~2m vs ~500k)
AI frame interpolation - Instead of rendering 60 FPS, render at 30 FPS and use AI frame interpolation to create AI-generated frames between rendered frames.
Up-scaling is admittedly a bit more noticeable and can result in visual artifacts, so I did some testing on frame interpolation...
First, I down-sampled the FPS from 60 to 30
I used an AI frame interpolation program to 2x the frame rate on the resulting 30 FPS animation to 60 FPS
Used ffmpeg to convert resulting interpolated 60 FPS .mkv files back to .webm
Does anyone have any idea how many hours / days / months that DPC spent rendering specifically for animations?
Seems like an easy way to cut down render time by 50%.... Potentially shedding MONTHS off of the development cycle.
Though, of course, this would only speed things up if DPC was truly just waiting for animations to finish, instead of other critical work like writing, editing, posing, preparing DAZ environments, etc..
There is a change if Jill rejected you. Don't know if it will make a big difference tho but that line changes to Her saying that if Jill don't want you if she can have you.
To break it down, you need this scene to show Bianca you're serious
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Without it, Bianca just knows you as a member of that funny frat that throws kick ass parties. It makes sense from a psychological standpoint. Besides others is crowded enough as is without throwing another LI into the mix
I quite disagree -- i have actually loved how unapologetically selfish and all-in DIK Zoey was there, willing to put very much everything on the line. You don't really make this sort of request if you don't care about someone to the point of wanting them above all else.
But i also have a slightly different interpretation of this scene -- when Zoey says she doesn't care, i think she's responding more to what Fuckface leaves unsaid when he brings up he's in relationship. Which is, if he was to choose Zoey, then his current girlfriend would be disappointed and hurt. And i think that's more what Zoey refers to when she says she doesn't care. She puts her feelings over feelings of the other girl (and honestly, why shouldn't she) not the MC, but she is also giving Fuckface a convenient way to reduce his guilt, by "merely" accepting Zoey's request, instead of making the decision all on his own and completely unprompted. In this sense, i'm actually less impressed with Chick Zoey who basically leaves the ball completely in Fuckface's court. Even though she knows that he's a hysterical snowflake who's gonna huff and puff and triple-guess himself while moping for next two weeks.
And I did it with DIK Zoey on Throuple run for fun.I'm lying, just want to cuck Josy once again I came back to her. But it's not my thing when they put so much pressure on me, to be honest, it turns me off. And if I can continue working with DIK Zoey on the Others route because it doesn't happen, you're not in a relationship and this kiss feels normal; then when I'm in a relationship, it's a red flag. I turned away from Josy, but the fact that Josy was intrusive is only one of the complex reasons, here so far there's only one.
To break it down, you need this scene to show Bianca you're serious
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Without it, Bianca just knows you as a member of that funny frat that throws kick ass parties. It makes sense from a psychological standpoint. Besides others is crowded enough as is without throwing another LI into the mix
While I like Ep11 in general, some content is really annoying :
Sage path in Ep 11 has turned into a minefield and is now a chore.
- Sage path allows to flirt with Camila in class but blocks the 1st Camila lewd scene.
- The lewd scene with Sage (alone) requires that mc did not fool around with Jade (ep3_acceptedJade == false AND ep4_toldDerekAboutJade == false) and that mc did not "cheat" on Sage (tc <= 5) in Season 3.
Even on a Chick game I am above 5 cheat points. The lewd scene at Bella's party is automatically skipped.
So I probably have to replay Season 3 once more and manually avoid the up to 39 (?) options to cheat on Sage ...
- On the other side the threesome with Camila and Sage is easy to get if mc is open for more than vanilla sex (Ep 9) and fooled around with the HOTs in EP 10. (ep10_dots_attitude > 1 and not ep9_sage_vanilla)
I'm not arguing that Bianca's path isn't being setup on Jill's & Bella's paths. Is it out of the realm for DPC to set obvious traps? Jade sex kills any sex with Sage in ep 11. Showing Derek the video of Jade prevents having sex with Jade in ep 11. Picking Sage over Jill prevents you from going on her path. That's my theory. I understand what you need to do to get the scene in Tommy's room.
You flirt with her during the bowl mission. And she is also a choice during the cucumber game. She has told Jill that you are hotter in person if you helped Jill during the recital.
Thats fair enough and I shall grant you that... but there's still the issue that when it comes to bianca the following is applied
if (branchJill or branchIsabella) and (ep11_bianca_dick > 0 or ep11_bianca_flirt)
The Jill and Isabllea branch speak for themselves, The Bianca Dick comes from the hot tub depending on what you do when she on your lap the Bianca Flirt comes from the sitting on the bike thing... both on the Ski trip
In regards to the Bowl Mission and the Cucumber game, yeah the game doesn't really track anything there. It obviously tracks that you did it with Bianca, so it knows where to point, but it does with Heather, Zoey etc etc etc
The fact remains on any other path but Jill or Bellas yeah, you may do a bit of harmless flirting here and there, and yeah she may think you're hot. But ultimately, she is a girl with a boyfriend and you are really nothing to her... there's nothing there
I'm not arguing that Bianca's path isn't being setup on Jill's & Bella's paths. Is it out of the realm for DPC to set obvious traps? Jade sex kills any sex with Sage in ep 11. Showing Derek the video of Jade prevents having sex with Jade in ep 11. Picking Sage over Jill prevents you from going on her path. That's my theory. I understand what you need to do to get the scene in Tommy's room.
But there is light flirting if you're on the Others path. I'm just thinking that in order to get content with Bianca going forward you would have to be on the Others path.
The fact remains on any other path but Jill or Bellas yeah, you may do a bit of harmless flirting here and there, and yeah she may think you're hot. But ultimately, she is a girl with a boyfriend and you are really nothing to her... there's nothing there
As a counterpoint, one could argue that if a little bit of flirting on a snowbike is enough to enable her to go further, then it's also perfectly possible that you could still get on her path in ep.12 or even later, without that bit but doing more flirting later. You'll just miss out on some early optional interactions. Not unlike you aren't required to "catch them all" early flirt/sex scenes with other girls to get on their "route" down the road.
Also, Bianca having a boyfriend isn't really a show stopper for her. If anything, it adds to the whole "we're being bad" vibe that spurs her on.
