Ren'Py Abandoned The Regional Manager [v0.171] [Horizontical Studio]

[Stil996]

There are no options, everything is bad and as I see, the player does not decide, the developer decides, so it is not the developer, the developer develops, the player plays and decides, example Natasha, there are no two options.

The Dev is doing one route at a time, the dark path right now... the Light path at some future date.

 

[HorizonticalS]

Hey guys, for those who are curious about the upcoming release, I made a public post.
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[Lucky4U]

Hey guys, for those who are curious about the upcoming release, I made a public post.
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There are about 8 AI renders on there--8 characters-- and I don't like even 1. All are UGLY!! Disappointed.

 

[HorizonticalS]

There are about 8 AI renders on there--8 characters-- and I don't like even 1. All are UGLY!! Disappointed.

They can't all be Kelly.

 

[Stil996]

They can't all be Kelly.

Are you planning on going AI?
some of them look ok, but most are huge departure from the characters we've come to know

 

[HorizonticalS]

Are you planning on going AI?
some of them look ok, but most are huge departure from the characters we've come to know

Not at all. It's just bonus content. The whole game remains cg except for some bonus galeries (which don't replace the existing collectibles) and achievement icons

 

[Cazzo_duro]

There are about 8 AI renders on there--8 characters-- and I don't like even 1. All are UGLY!! Disappointed.

True. And the fingers are completely fucked-up.

 

[HorizonticalS]

True. And the fingers are completely fucked-up.

Most people don't focus on the fingers. But anyway, that's just the usual AI art debate, in the end, it's just a handful of bonus ai generated images, if you don't like them, ignore them, 99% of the images in the game are still CG, and there's no plan to change that.
That's what's coming in 0.16 (public in a few weeks):


And this is what I'm currently working on for the upcoming 0.17 build (available to patrons in a few weeks):


Don't click on the thumbnails if you don't want to be spoiled. But still, CG. No Ai.

 

[Lucky4U]

They can't all be Kelly.

lol, I am really touched that you remember. Well, I am still waiting for Kelly content, hasn't shown up in any new updates.

Are you planning on going AI?
some of them look ok, but most are huge departure from the characters we've come to know

Completely Agree 100%; although, I wouldn't mind some AI art made based on the characters already in the game.

Most people don't focus on the fingers. But anyway, that's just the usual AI art debate, in the end, it's just a handful of bonus ai generated images, if you don't like them, ignore them, 99% of the images in the game are still CG, and there's no plan to change that.
That's what's coming in 0.16 (public in a few weeks):
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And this is what I'm currently working on for the upcoming 0.17 build (available to patrons in a few weeks):
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Don't click on the thumbnails if you don't want to be spoiled. But still, CG. No Ai.

HorizonticalS, Well, I think AI art can be fine just as long as the characters are "Good Looking"!
Maybe easier to just use photoshop and such to fix the fingers in the images made by AI? Would probably save time in creating new content?
Just asking because I have also heard this fingers debate a lot but have yet to hear why people don't think that fingers can simply be fixed using software tools such as photoshop?
Thanks

 

[Stil996]

....Just asking because I have also heard this fingers debate a lot but have yet to hear why people don't think that fingers can simply be fixed using software tools such as photoshop?
Thanks

I don't think it's a case of can't be fixed, it's more a case being tricky to spot. Most of us don't see this stuff consciously, you just get a sense of "uncanny valley" where your brain tells you something isn't quite right, but won't tell you what exactly. Only when someone more detail oriented points it out to you that you finally make the connection and then you can't unsee it. By then it probably seems like to much trouble for most Devs to go back an fix (I'm guessing the time needed to fix this stuff is counter productive, you'd be just as well using a traditional 3d model and renders).

 

[Lucky4U]

I don't think it's a case of can't be fixed, it's more a case being tricky to spot. Most of us don't see this stuff consciously, you just get a sense of "uncanny valley" where your brain tells you something isn't quite right, but won't tell you what exactly. Only when someone more detail oriented points it out to you that you finally make the connection and then you can't unsee it. By then it probably seems like to much trouble for most Devs to go back an fix (I'm guessing the time needed to fix this stuff is counter productive, you'd be just as well using a traditional 3d model and renders).

fair point. I guess I am one of those very rare, unfortunate people who are extremely detail oriented. But the point that I was making was that since making a whole CG image is a lot more work than simply fixing fingers, why don't people just use AI to create content and then use softwares to fix fingers? Wouldn't this method be almost the equivalent of a CG image but with very less time spent on making the image?

 

[Stil996]

fair point. I guess I am one of those very rare, unfortunate people who are extremely detail oriented. But the point that I was making was that since making a whole CG image is a lot more work than simply fixing fingers, why don't people just use AI to create content and then use softwares to fix fingers? Wouldn't this method be almost the equivalent of a CG image but with very less time spent on making the image?

You might be Detail oriented or you might be Finger/Hand Oriented (One of my friends can't remember faces but she always remembers shoes, different people notice/remember different things) there are probably other things you didn't spot that others will, so it's not just about fixing one small part (usually).

 

[HorizonticalS]

I don't think it's a case of can't be fixed, it's more a case being tricky to spot. Most of us don't see this stuff consciously, you just get a sense of "uncanny valley" where your brain tells you something isn't quite right, but won't tell you what exactly. Only when someone more detail oriented points it out to you that you finally make the connection and then you can't unsee it. By then it probably seems like to much trouble for most Devs to go back an fix (I'm guessing the time needed to fix this stuff is counter productive, you'd be just as well using a traditional 3d model and renders).

You might be Detail oriented or you might be Finger/Hand Oriented (One of my friends can't remember faces but she always remembers shoes, different people notice/remember different things) there are probably other things you didn't spot that others will, so it's not just about fixing one small part (usually).

Exactly. I made these AI bonus renders as extra content that I think looks cool and that I can produce easily while focusing on the game. If I start spending more time on fixing these, that defeats the purpose (especially since I didn't even see the problems).

As you say, we don't all see and focus on the same things, I didn't see anything wrong with these, to be honest I still don't unless I zoom in on the fingers and even then I still think the pics look cool, so unfortunately, I think I litteraly couldn't even figure out what's wrong about these to some of you, even if I tried to.
Just try to ignore it if you don't like it, as I said, it's just bonus content after all, and the game is still the same.

 

[JiggyliFAP]

this game badly needs an update, it is the first game i played a pure bad guy and i love it, I am so addicted to being a badguy i now play tons of corruption games and the only topic i leave off the plate is futa. because of this i played game like demon boy and personal assistant and bad bobby and i have to admit, i am hooked

Reverse for me I tried all of those before this, and for that I'm thankful since I got into the game when there's already ton of updates.

 

[Ulrich von Liechtenstein]

It pains me to look at her hand

 

[razor1977]

It pains me you are looking at the hand lol

 

[Lucky4U]

Exactly. I made these AI bonus renders as extra content that I think looks cool and that I can produce easily while focusing on the game. If I start spending more time on fixing these, that defeats the purpose (especially since I didn't even see the problems).
As you say, we don't all see and focus on the same things, I didn't see anything wrong with these, to be honest I still don't unless I zoom in on the fingers and even then I still think the pics look cool, so unfortunately, I think I litteraly couldn't even figure out what's wrong about these to some of you, even if I tried to.
Just try to ignore it if you don't like it, as I said, it's just bonus content after all, and the game is still the same.

Yea, well, I don't really mind it either. I was just saying that I can notice it easily, that's all.
But what I was primarily trying to ask is why don't people create AI art using the main characters they already have in their games? Wouldn't that be a much faster way to create content? even without fixing the fingers as I don't really mind either way.

 

[Stil996]

Yea, well, I don't really mind it either. I was just saying that I can notice it easily, that's all.
But what I was primarily trying to ask is why don't people create AI art using the main characters they already have in their games? Wouldn't that be a much faster way to create content? even without fixing the fingers as I don't really mind either way.

Go visit the Taffy Tales thread and see the hatred people can have for AI (In that case I'm one of them, but mostly because of the jarring differences between art from one moment to the next). and the AI mistakes can get pretty big with character having extra "arms", limbs bending in weird places, weird dimensions etc, it definitely isn't limited the one little error. (It's only only case and it might be a case that, that Dev was simply bad at AI or the program he is using is Bad, but you do get a sense of public opinion)

 

[Lucky4U]

Go visit the Taffy Tales thread and see the hatred people can have for AI (In that case I'm one of them, but mostly because of the jarring differences between art from one moment to the next). and the AI mistakes can get pretty big with character having extra "arms", limbs bending in weird places, weird dimensions etc, it definitely isn't limited the one little error. (It's only only case and it might be a case that, that Dev was simply bad at AI or the program he is using is Bad, but you do get a sense of public opinion)

I see. So AI can't yet create a sequence of pics, ie, a visual story. Hmm, Makes sense. If you find it horrible then I will most certainly find it horrible. But I think AI will become capable of creating proper visual stories in about 2 years. Will see.

 

[Stil996]

I see. So AI can't yet create a sequence of pics, ie, a visual story. Hmm, Makes sense. But I think it will become capable of doing that in about 2 years. Will see.

I couldn't testify about AI ability to create a sequence of pictures one way or the other, that particular Dev doesn't seem to be able too, I have no idea if that is a problem with him or the technology... He has a track record of inconsistent images so it may well just be him, but he is using his own art as a basis for the AI so I feel it should be more consistent that most, though I mostly pointed that thread out because it had a lot of people posting various arguments for/against AI along with a number of images dissected for flaws that might have been interesting to you... though a lot may have been nuked by now, so I don't know.
Speaking of which this is probably going off topic so, sorry HorizonticalS for clogging your thread.