Crowie

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Like the above, difficulty is not the problem and stop with the you are playing the game wrong rhetoric. I enjoy it the way I like it but that doesn't mean I can't have criticism. And since when providing critique is being "entitled" ?? The way fans rabid attack anyone that dares to criticize anything about "their" game is honestly so tiring.
Okay, that's just strawmanning. You aren't doing yourself a favor by claiming people (or specifically, me) attack you rabidly when at least I have responded multiple times to your comments without any personal attack whatsover.

But I get it. My usage of the word entitled isn't nice and not constructive either. So my bad, I'm sorry. Got lost in the sauce for a while.

What made me use this term is this weird and consistent implication of your comments that the game design choices you have a problem with are objectively bad. It doesn't seem like you are willing to understand or come to terms with the intention and also the merit of said design choices.

Lastly, I didn't say you play the game wrong. That's also a strawman. I outlined playing the game pure is a valid option, I said the game is designed to play it in multiple ways. But you have to accept playing it pure for what it is: a challenge. And with a challenge comes a learning process to deal with the obstacles and frustrations that you deal with. You didn't seem to enjoy the game that much as that sort of challenge, so it was important for me to highlight that there are other ways to approach the game.

It's also important to discern if those that enjoy the game enjoy it because or despite said design choices.
And on that note, I can assure you a good amount of people who enjoy the game enjoy it precisely because of these design choices.

Anyway I hope you have a good day and you can either enjoy the game nonetheless, or find something else for you to enjoy. I don't think there is much else for me to say unless a new point is brought up.
 
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I did a full playthrough on nightmare (admittedly on NG+) and completed it. It was a headache but by this point I already knew what to expect from the game, so it wasn't a big deal to me. Finished it with 0 lewdness, 0 vice, no mind stuff either. As you can imagine, that would be the definition of hell.

Compared to Nightmare, Normal is pretty much easy mode. In many ways I would consider it to be too easy lol. Once you figure out the enemies and their tactics...It's pretty much over. I mean c'mon Luciela & Aura have a discussion about this very early in the game, about how Aura would have to figure out the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of her foes if she wants to win since she can't use her Divine Gift more than once per day.

All the people whining about how the game is too hard on "Normal"...Like c'mon, if you can't even beat a Demon General in it's weakest form how do you expect to go through EVERY SINGLE DEMON REALM at the end of the game, without stopping or pausing? It's a classic JRPG game where you need to prepare to beat the bosses and mini-bosses, using the right spells, stances and abilities. Prep time is half the battle honestly.

If people put as much effort into exploring and experimenting as they did complaining they wouldn't have a problem in game on NORMAL difficulty.
Discovering tactics and solving problems is the fun part. But what really allows you to complete game on Nightmare is foreknowledge. Knowing where and how to get more and better tools for your toolbox is the crucial difference.
I believe that player should be able to finish pure run on normal difficulty without foreknowledge.


Okay, that's just strawmanning. You aren't doing yourself a favor by claiming people (or specifically, me) attack you rabidly when at least I have responded multiple times to your comments without any personal attack whatsover.

But I get it. My usage of the word entitled isn't nice and not constructive either. So my bad, I'm sorry. Got lost in the sauce for a while.

What made me use this term is this weird and consistent implication of your comments that the game design choices you have a problem with are objectively bad. It doesn't seem like you are willing to understand or come to terms with the intention and also the merit of said design choices.

Lastly, I didn't say you play the game wrong. That's also a strawman. I outlined playing the game pure is a valid option, I said the game is designed to play it in multiple ways. But you have to accept playing it pure for what it is: a challenge. And with a challenge comes a learning process to deal with the obstacles and frustrations that you deal with. You didn't seem to enjoy the game that much as that sort of challenge, so it was important for me to highlight that there are other ways to approach the game.

And on that note, I can assure you a good amount of people who enjoy the game enjoy it precisely because of these design choices.
I did no such thing, as any feedback from people outside of your support circle it needs to be weighted against desires of your existing audience. Hence the part you quoted. Also your post only reads one way for me, but let's move on.
 

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uh... how do I change my slime type to air?
Getting that will be expensive, do you have +50 air from book and +100 from artifact workshop ?

Not sure if that is enough but that is my plan anyway.
But first I need Fire II.... how do you get Charlotte to lv 6 ?
 
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Thokeus

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Well I was particularly referring to play SKA pure - Which means without any mental changes and lewdness. How difficult it actually is, is subjective of course, but we wouldn't have so many complaints in the first place if pure would be easier. My personal impression of the game is also that it just gets more difficult as you progress (unlike other games I've played which were very static or declined in difficulty after the first section) so that can trip people up I think. The demand to rely on some lewd stuff rises as you progress. And Alicia is also a paid actor as we control her. Any pure run is non-canon per default because Alicia just wouldn't simply sit on corruption after opening 3 rooms.
I was also talking about pure tbh. Non-pure is probably much much easier there.

As for it being non canon because of Alicia, keep in mind that as long as you win within 88 days or so you can make it so that Alicia never even enters the mind of Aura (just make sure you never get to 4 corruption so she can never pay the initial cost). Even when she does enter it would take a few days for her to do anything.
 
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Getting that will be expensive, do you have +50 air from book and +100 from artifact workshop ?

Not sure if that is enough but that is my plan anyway.
But first I need Fire II.... how do you get Charlotte to lv 6 ?
Technically you could wait. Every adventurer gets EXP every day, you can boost that amount by selling Star Metal to the Workshop. 1 EXP is the base, lvl 3 Workshop gives +1, lvl 10 gives +3, and if you clear Draknor Fortress you get an additional +1. Otherwise it's clearing quests Charlotte is part of but there are only very few (after Festival it's only Reverse Summoning and Judgment of Pride? I think? Both are late game)

You can check current EXP Gain in Trademond Guild by talking to the clerk

Otherwise Fire II can be learned in the Magic Academy but that's expensive.
 

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Technically you could wait. Every adventurer gets EXP every day, you can boost that amount by selling Star Metal to the Workshop. 1 EXP is the base, lvl 3 Workshop gives +1, lvl 10 gives +3, and if you clear Draknor Fortress you get an additional +1. Otherwise it's clearing quests Charlotte is part of but there are only very few (after Festival it's only Reverse Summoning and Judgment of Pride? I think? Both are late game)

You can check current EXP Gain in Trademond Guild by talking to the clerk

Otherwise Fire II can be learned in the Magic Academy but that's expensive.
It's highly recommended to save up in order to get into the Magic Academy. There are certain tier 2 (and tier 3 for that matter) spells that you can learn there that are just very good. Of course you can beat the game without them, but Water Skin II helps tremendously in the wretched volcano.

On another note: if you aren't strapped for cash and you get extra Sweet Memories, make sure to give them to your slime for a 15+ hp bonus. No drawbacks either, Slime is immune to negative drug effects. Admittedly not that great, yeah...but every little bit helps if you don't end up killing all the Demon Generals by day 100.
 
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Technically you could wait. Every adventurer gets EXP every day, you can boost that amount by selling Star Metal to the Workshop. 1 EXP is the base, lvl 3 Workshop gives +1, lvl 10 gives +3, and if you clear Draknor Fortress you get an additional +1. Otherwise it's clearing quests Charlotte is part of but there are only very few (after Festival it's only Reverse Summoning and Judgment of Pride? I think? Both are late game)

You can check current EXP Gain in Trademond Guild by talking to the clerk

Otherwise Fire II can be learned in the Magic Academy but that's expensive.
Yea i saw the exp from workshop sadly I'm one star metal short. Can't beat Fortress...

It's highly recommended to save up in order to get into the Magic Academy. There are certain tier 2 (and tier 3 for that matter) spells that you can learn there that are just very good. Of course you can beat the game without them, but Water Skin II helps tremendously in the wretched volcano.

On another note: if you aren't strapped for cash and you get extra Sweet Memories, make sure to give them to your slime for a 15+ hp bonus. No drawbacks either, Slime is immune to negative drug effects. Admittedly not that great, yeah...but every little bit helps if you don't end up killing all the Demon Generals by day 100.
Oof the thing is I need Fire II to get through lake because I don't wanna pay 5k for ship and I would to give 20k for school..


What happens after 100 day really, I get it Generals get stronger but that's just Generals or anything with domain ? Say Moloch would be affected or not ? And can they be defeated still without SK or no ?
 

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What happens after 100 day really, I get it Generals get stronger but that's just Generals or anything with domain ? Say Moloch would be affected or not ? And can they be defeated still without SK or no ?
The generals are weakened until day 100. That debuff gives them -75% to all stats. As for beating them after day 100 without SK, I haven't put any effort into testing out pre vs. post day 100 demon general combat. In general though, both strong buffs and bebuffs will be needed to overcome that much of a stat difference.
 

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The "post d100" generals also have a LOT more HP to them, so killing them without collar break is extremely hard. It might be theoretically possible depending on the build and whatnot, at least with some of them... but I'm pretty sure some are impossible no matter what. Like the Winterfall encounter. I can't see any way of beating that without collar break when they're at full power.

Even if it is possible, tbh, I wouldn't say it's worth it. To beat post d100 generals without collar break, you need to invest a lot of resources. There's simply no way to do it without using a TON of items... and realistically, the 4 corruption you get from the collar break is worth it just to save up a ton of stuff you can use elsewhere.

This is especially true for situations where you have consecutive fights where you have to be careful about collar break anyway. You'll generally want to save your consumables for those.
 

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The "post d100" generals also have a LOT more HP to them, so killing them without collar break is extremely hard. It might be theoretically possible depending on the build and whatnot, at least with some of them... but I'm pretty sure some are impossible no matter what. Like the Winterfall encounter. I can't see any way of beating that without collar break when they're at full power.

Even if it is possible, tbh, I wouldn't say it's worth it. To beat post d100 generals without collar break, you need to invest a lot of resources. There's simply no way to do it without using a TON of items... and realistically, the 4 corruption you get from the collar break is worth it just to save up a ton of stuff you can use elsewhere.

This is especially true for situations where you have consecutive fights where you have to be careful about collar break anyway. You'll generally want to save your consumables for those.
Nah the bozos in Winterfall are possible without collar break post day 100. Just have to be full prepared and have your slime up'd to "Medium" size.

Sathanas is actually impossible to do without collar break on day 100+. Man is extremely overpowered to the point where you'd need to be in endgame stats to even stand a chance. And that's saying something
 

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Nah the bozos in Winterfall are possible without collar break post day 100. Just have to be full prepared and have your slime up'd to "Medium" size.

Sathanas is actually impossible to do without collar break on day 100+. Man is extremely overpowered to the point where you'd need to be in endgame stats to even stand a chance. And that's saying something
Isn't there a very real risk of them one-shotting the thing if they both choose to hit it at the same time?

Though I suppose you could prevent that with an anti-dark coating... but that loops back to what I was saying about the cost being huge. That particular coating is a massive pain in the ass to make after all... and as far as I know, you only ever get one of those for free.

Ugh. Either way, it sounds like the kind of pain that's not worth the effort. If someone's doing a full purity run, they'll want to min-max to beat everyone before D100. If they're not, 4 corruption points don't matter that much, and I can say that for sure because I beat most of the generals after d100 on my run.
 
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Terix3

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Thanks for answers. Damn sounds like RIP, that's basically 4x the stats. Damn. I didn't think much of this time limit, the first time you hear about it is during festival of greed right? When it said that in 35 days they will regain full power I expected that something story trigger like they they attack you or start showing up on map and you need to take them down. Well it probably wouldn't change that much, I would get some days by not working workshop till near 0 willpower but surely not finish them all.

Ugh. Either way, it sounds like the kind of pain that's not worth the effort. If someone's doing a full purity run, they'll want to min-max to beat everyone before D100. If they're not, 4 corruption points don't matter that much, and I can say that for sure because I beat most of the generals after d100 on my run.
They do and don't, I would rather avoid opening way deeper into mind. But the options in first 4 rooms don't really make any bad changes to her psyche, except maybe 2. So there is room to work with.
 

Thokeus

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Sathanas is actually impossible to do without collar break on day 100+. Man is extremely overpowered to the point where you'd need to be in endgame stats to even stand a chance. And that's saying something
The achievement to kill all generals (beside greed) post d100 is very much feasible, though maybe not on nightmare pure. Definitely have seen it done on hard pure though. Sathanas is probably the hardest one, make sure you don't have offensive stance for him lol.
 

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The achievement to kill all generals (beside greed) post d100 is very much feasible, though maybe not on nightmare pure. Definitely have seen it done on hard pure though. Sathanas is probably the hardest one, make sure you don't have offensive stance for him lol.
You would need defensive stance, radiance and Divine Guard at the very least. Not to mention a buttload of HP and DEF stat. A lot of blessed bombs for your boy Slimie too.
 

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This is a very cool game. Unlike other games, the gameplay is very catchy and would work even without NSFW scenes. The music choice is absolutely incredible. Now I am at 26 hours and was doing mostly a corrupt run, I wanted to have some vice options, but it seems that I have to basically pick all the corruptions before I can advance further to unlock vice, I am not sure how is it possible from a developer perspective, but I would prefer to just pick what I wanted and go the way I prefer most games and that is like "paragade mass effect", major decisions do the good way, but the ones that don't really matter the bad, way. I am not sure (maybe I will find out later in the story) why it is necessary to completely tarnish my relationship with Rose in order to extort a little bit from the Farmer or steal the mana thing from the hermit. Or even mess up my school grades. Richard has great grades, and he is evil. Why can't Aura have great grades and be a little bit evil also? These things are not mutually exclusive. Also, Jacob's farm should be moved a little bit to the left/down. I ended up there way too many times by accident. Otherwise perfect game. The bossfights are interesting and there are always different ways to solve them. I especially like that some enemies will lose armor when you light up the fires because they hate light. Very cool mechanic. Also also, F11 to toggle between fullscreen in the same way browsers have it would be nice. Never tried RPG Maker, but if it's as simple as in other engines, then it should be very simple to implement :)
 
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