- Apr 9, 2018
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Damn man a lot of good games getting abandoned lately. Hope this one makes a comeback!
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Funny that everyone is ringing the death knell now that the abandoned tag has been applied, as though that has any actual significance to whether or not the dev is working on it. Either he was before the abandoned tag and still is, or he wasn't and now isn't. Literally nothing has changed.
I am not saying the abandoned tag should or shouldn't be applied, just that it is applied as an indicator - not to inform of some official decision that has been made.
Personally I like to think the dev is still working on it. It is not uncommon for full chapter updates to take several months in late stages of games with multiple paths and a single dev.
I am not saying the abandoned tag should or shouldn't be applied, just that it is applied as an indicator - not to inform of some official decision that has been made.
Personally I like to think the dev is still working on it. It is not uncommon for full chapter updates to take several months in late stages of games with multiple paths and a single dev.
- Apr 20, 2020
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I swear every time there is femdom content in a game, it's getting abandoned with time.
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The developers usually keep people informed on their patreon, a lack of communication is never a good sign.
- Jul 12, 2018
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That is true, but I will point out that this particular dev seems to have grown to hate talking to his followers
. Silent, grim determination to finish is not out of the picture here.Well, putting a part of the reasons, if he's really active and focused, he should have given a explanation after the abandonded tag was given. For now, radio silent. Cannot blame people for being pissed off.
- Sep 26, 2016
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What's far more common, is games with complete radio silence being actually abandoned. Most abandoned games don't announce their abandonment.
If he owes an explanation, it would be to his Patreon and Itch purchasers, not to a forum of pirates who steal and play his game for free. No judgement, I am here after all (though I did purchase this particular game).
An abandoned tag on a pirating forum should not impact his behavior in any way, because he doesn't owe pirates anything. Of course he is not going to come in here, to a community he is explicitly not a part of and explain himself to them because an arbitrary amount of time has passed and someone who has nothing to do with the development of the game slapped on a new tag to the thread where people steal his game. There are other pirating sites too (though not as good) - is he responsible for going over all of them every day to see if the status of his stolen game has changed so he can address it in the comments?
Sometimes it baffles me how people here seem to forget that you are not actually customers.
The dev communicated to his Patreons that he was likely to go radio silent while working on the game, and continues to pause the payments each month. He feels that is adequate communication to his subscribers -whether the subscribers agree or not is between them and the dev.
To be clear, I am not saying that the game is or is not abandoned - I have no special insight into the status of the game. Just that slapping a tag on it in a forum that is not affiliated with the game or the dev in any way is not some major event to the dev or the game.
- Oct 24, 2018
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Its the biggest platform in the genre by far and the place where 90% of the big devs started. Devs should always treat this place as potential customers, because that is the smart thing to do.
Imagine thinking that giving someone the lifechanging amount of 5 bucks makes you worth listening to more than the rest of the fanbase.
Shitty business practices are shitty business practices, no matter who agrees with them. You think his low sub count has nothing to do with constantly going MIA? If there is no effort to keep hype going, people will lose faith in supporting such devs, and find other more transparent devs to support, others forget about the game entirely. Its as simple as that.
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- Feb 18, 2018
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1. No one is talking about how the developer is absent HERE. What matters is patreon, discord, their own site etc. He is absent there and his paying customers there are just as much out of the loop as people here. This site mostly works by quoting patreon/discord etc. posts, no one is demanding for developers to post here, its understandable if they want to avoid this place.
2. Not paying for the content doesn't make the criticism invalid. Even if we assume that only buyers are entitled for the developer to give transparency about the work they paid for (potentially in advance), doesn't make pirates pointing it out false. Note that I have the stance that the developer doesn't technically have any obligation and can bail whenever they want (unless a full game within a certain time was guaranted, then you can sue them or make a refund, which can work), but if you promote your game that much and got 7/9 chapters done, there is a certain expectancy on the customers side and ettiquette on the producers side to at the very least make them aware how or if the progress is done. GRR Martin doesn't write anymore, which he apparantly is allowed to do, but at the same, people are free to call him out.
2. Not paying for the content doesn't make the criticism invalid. Even if we assume that only buyers are entitled for the developer to give transparency about the work they paid for (potentially in advance), doesn't make pirates pointing it out false. Note that I have the stance that the developer doesn't technically have any obligation and can bail whenever they want (unless a full game within a certain time was guaranted, then you can sue them or make a refund, which can work), but if you promote your game that much and got 7/9 chapters done, there is a certain expectancy on the customers side and ettiquette on the producers side to at the very least make them aware how or if the progress is done. GRR Martin doesn't write anymore, which he apparantly is allowed to do, but at the same, people are free to call him out.
This is just the nature of these long running AVNs, usually it's a lone dev, it's a hobby, and the longer something goes naturally things happen in life and enthusiasm wanes. Also it's usually better to say nothing if you don't want to or can't communicate well. Previously dev lashed out at the suggestion that update cycles would become longer as the project became more complex, and insisted previous update cycles would continue on. I never understood the hostility to that, when it wasn't even criticism but a reality of how projects go. I think with that in mind, it makes sense not to communicate now.
I of course can't know for sure what will happen with this. I still think it will be completed, it may take awhile, but it will eventually be finished. And I'd suggest to anyone that has an issue with that, you need to adjust your expectations and realize how things go in this niche. Don't get invested in it, have other hobbies to focus in on and just check stuff on here when you feel like it, with the understanding that games may never complete and you can't actually know when and how big updates would be. People get way too invested in these games, treating them like an important obligation and a major life necessity, when nobody should have that mindset, devs nor players.
I of course can't know for sure what will happen with this. I still think it will be completed, it may take awhile, but it will eventually be finished. And I'd suggest to anyone that has an issue with that, you need to adjust your expectations and realize how things go in this niche. Don't get invested in it, have other hobbies to focus in on and just check stuff on here when you feel like it, with the understanding that games may never complete and you can't actually know when and how big updates would be. People get way too invested in these games, treating them like an important obligation and a major life necessity, when nobody should have that mindset, devs nor players.
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A lot of developers fail to realize the importance of marketing, keeping the community engaged is half the struggle of maintaining and developing the patreon. You can't just sit back and focus on developing the game, you need to pay constant lip service to your patreons and community.
Long explanation but a few questions coming out of my mind:
1/ How do you know that there is none of his customer here?
2/ Does he communicate or make an announcement on Patreons? I don't think so.
3/ Did anyone mention that he needs to give an explanation here? I don't think so. It's quite irrelevant as at the end, it's just a platform. Assuming that there is none of his customer here, does it make people's argument invalid to raise their concerns?
The only exception is that if since the latest release, he doesn't take anyone money, he does not have any obligation to answer any questions.
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TLDR Translation: Gimme!Its the biggest platform in the genre by far and the place where 90% of the big devs started. Devs should always treat this place as potential customers, because that is the smart thing to do.
Imagine thinking that giving someone the lifechanging amount of 5 bucks makes you worth listening to more than the rest of the fanbase.
- Feb 18, 2018
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Context matters. There is a difference if a developer is missing the deadline for one day or when there is a radio silence for four months and the latest update was nine months ago. Relative how the developer has responded frequently in the past and how he does (not) act now, its all too natural that his audience is asking questions now.
Yes, they actually are - if you read the comment I quoted in my post it is stating that they should provide an update BECAUSE the abandoned tag was applied. My point is not that the dev does not need to communicate. My point is simply that the abandoned tag is arbitrary and he has no obligation to respond to it or communicate here. Which he has made clear he won't.
Not paying does not make ALL criticism invalid. It does however make criticism based on entitlement invalid. Unless you are supporting the project you have no standing for criticizing the time and effort the dev puts into the project. Feel free to criticize the content, the attitude, whatever else you want. But criticizing how much attention and effort the dev is giving you comes across as entitled, because you have done nothing to warrant that attention and effort.
For this dev, and many others, this is a hobby they do because they enjoy it. The fact that you enjoy what they produce as their hobby does not lock them into performing this hobby forever just because you want more, they have no obligation to you. "You" in this context being those who use a pirate site to download the content they created for free.
That is the trade off. We don't pay for games - and since we don't support their development, we have no right to be upset when the development of those games doesn't match our expectations. Just existing as a fan of a game does not support it's development. "Exposure" is not payment, it doesn't cover the time and equipment required.
1. There probably are, it is irrelevant because there are platforms available to them to make those comments and criticisms. The dev is not here, why scream into the void?
2. That is not in the scope of this conversation - it is between the dev and his patreons. Their recourse is to cancel their subscription. As I noted in the post you are responding to - I am not commenting on whether his interaction on Patreon is acceptable, just on the fact that it is silly to feel like you are owed an explanation for a tag applied here
3. Yes, people did say he needs to account for the fact that an abandoned tag was applied, you know - like in the post that I quoted and was directly responding to
I have responded to each of your points in turn so you don't feel I left anything out, but if you respond feel free to condense them into the same single point that they all are for the sake of brevity. We are simply talking about the level of communication that is owed by the developer in this forum. Quite simply, that is none. Some devs choose to engage this community in order to build a fanbase. Great for them, but that is their choice to make. Fans who download the game for free do not, and should not, dictate the level of interaction the dev must have with them.
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I see F95 like this: It's the biggest (and quite probably the best) AVN pirate site going. It generates a *lot* of word of mouth by way of traffic. Now - some of those people can and do end up contributing via subs. Some of them can't, but want to play anyway. A good chunk of both groups end up reviewing, and some even discussing the games. It's a marketing paradise for developers looking to fill sub slots. And it's a free haven for players that can't pay, but still end up playing.
You won't truly ever get 100% of the demographic to pay - they simply can't. Utilizing F95 is probably the current best way to get what you need as a dev, and it's the best place to find what you're looking for as a fan.
As to dev schedules: that's between them and their patrons. F95 has nothing to do with it, nor do any discussions out here.
- Feb 18, 2018
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No. People would like to hear from the developer, but no one demands him to post in this thread. The way F95 works is that user post the developers content and status update on their own, gathered from official sites like patreon, their discord etc. Occasionally the developer are active here, but thats entirely optional.
If the dev doesn't have an update in 9 months, someone who paid him 5 bucks can say "There is no update since 9 months, the game is (potentially) abandoned, the developer didn't complete this game, he is possibly burned out" and thats valid, but someone who didn't support him and states the same information - is supposed to have an invalid post because they aren't allowed to comment on the progress???? What nonsensical logic is that? The second person points just as correctly out as the first person. Like which posts here are supposed to be invalid?
Youre just missing the context, its one more indication that the dev doesnt give a fuck (anymore) at least about the advertisement/publicity part of this avn.
And information from f95 spreads like wildfire even if its misinformation like people thinking this avn being "confirmed" abandoned. Everyone - even outside of f95 - thinks for example that Chasing S**s*** is completed because of the tag here while it is not lol
The abandoned tag here doesnt confirm that a avn is indeed abandoned but it STRONLGY indicates that a dev lost motivation/drive to work on his avn because they stopped contributing any news about their development.