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PPGI. The porn genre has not been invented yet, a genre requires a specific ruleset & elements such as how a FPS cannot be a FPS without the first person and shooter elements and the ruleset surrounding; I shoot you in the head you die instantly, I shoot you in the torso you take 50% damage, I shoot in the arms or legs you take 25% damage, etc. rules/mechanics.
The gameplay and porn must be combined in a very seamless way that doesn't detract from one another, but complement each other. It's harder to achieve than horror games.
Devs constantly forget the bed part and do not use basic common sense such as autonomous decisions and waiting. Fight games for example are live and have timers, they are not good for porn. In porn you must bide your time.
As such I am creating this thread for simple people.
I'd like to offer you a guideline and then you all share your ideas in this thread.
Sex is suppose to be interactive and fun. How can you interact in a fun way if it's linear and feels like a chore?
1.The streaming/live recording element mixed with porn made for a very good combination, it's seamless. That is one example that's been done.
1.5) Another one was balancing work with sex. You need to do your job but at the same time do some inbetween sex.
2. Interactive mouse pointer through AI/bot/Waifu character.
Your waifu character at best can only show her displeasure through dialogue & facial gestures, but she never has any interaction with you such as changing the poses. At best/worst she gives you a game over screen and calls it a day, like the lazy dev who programmed her. No, your waifu character requires her own mouse cursor to interact with your UI.
Perhaps you invade her UI and have to figure out how to approach her to unlock her UI or just forcebrute it, almost like a hacking game. It turns into a cursor & UI war.
Each girl would have her unique UI and her unique cursor to deal with you. Piss her off and she knocks your cursor off screen, jails it, locks certain options such as anal, forces you to perform oral on her, rides you cowgirl, etc. the idea is for it to not end in a "We're done playing", but in a "Now we're playing it by my rules".
As such dicerolls can also be very effective if we pair them with actions and reactions.
What if I gave you something simple to work in such as a CYOA VN in Ren'Py? but with a good fitting idea? a theme/execution so good it becomes the gameplay since this was already based on animated mechanics?
Bed CYOA
3. You make decisions during the sex, but you make them not in a linear way, you make them to get a reaction out of the girl and possibly an action in the overworld. You get a hint at what you're doing right and wrong as opposed to blind quizzes, it could be 1 general satisfaction bar followed by 10 satisfaction bars.
2B) You make it to get achievements/badges/points to upgrade your main character with to unlock even more reactions such as a bigger dick or an exotic alien dick will change the way the girl reacts to you.
For example even in the simplest VN made in Ren'Py you can make a sex CYOA where you do certain positions, you choose if missionary, doggy, cowgirl, anal, oral, pussy, you choose the speed, you choose how to grab her. And you get girls A,B,C,D. For example you choose girl A) Anal & slow, this results in a succesful consensual anal scene. If you go Anal & Fast this results in a non-consensual anal scene, but here's the kicker ... the second one is not an unsuccesful attempt that leads to a game over. The second one leads to your girl being more submissive and accepting abuse ... and you can add in a time revert/AU element too if you want the girl to fight and press rape charges. This helps with something such as alien Species encounters. The idea is to unlock as many badges as possible.
If you go with girl C) & D) then even going anal, slow (x3 times) won't work, you need to work something extra. DURING anal Something extra meaning kissing, placing your hand on her stomach, handholding, types of dialogue/dirty talking, doing favors for her in bed(RNG chosen by the girl) or favors in the overworld outside bed. Connecting the overworld to the bed is also important, but first let's focus on the sex scene.
3B).
The thing however would be that you'd need hints and to be able to use basic common sense. A certain bio about the girl for example.
A) is emotionally sensitive and has a strong ass. Loves rough quick thrusting in pussy. B) Is emotionally tough and has a strong ass, loves rough slow thrusting in pussy.
C) is emotionally sensitive and has a weak ass. Loves shallow quick thrusting in pussy D) is emotionally tough and has a weak ass, loves deep slow thrusting in pussy
You get presented with options such as; thrusting in bursts, thrusting quick & shallow, grinding deeply, grinding shallowy, thrusting in waves, pressing/poking, and then certain moves(with info boxes) with funny names such as double-breaker(pull out slowly then thrust all the way in, pull out quickly then thrust all the way in and grind deeply).
If you unlock the big cock or exotic alien cock then you get a new slew of options, especially the alien cock that reacts completely different from what you know about sex.
The big cock would give you the extra option to be able to control how deeply you insert it. Going beyond 50% would need some heavy cues about when to use it, namely perhaps the character herself telling you to ... only to realize she can't and tell you to back off.
Such as the alien cock could be stationary and offer rather than thrusting and vibrations like a normal cock and dildo it would offer instead chemical & transformation options which would impact the girl some other way and make her do more interesting reactions. Lactation, the girl's ass & pussy resistance & shape, her psychology(could turn submissive, dominant or yandere). The alien cock could grow scales to turn into a dragon cock which would make thrusting back outwards painful but at the same time extremely pleasurable if done correctly. Instead of maintaining a specific pace you could thrust quickly at any pace because you affected her biology and now her entire pussy reacts like the head of a cock. It can affect the way the epithelial cells & stimuli work.
All of this can be applied to live sex and autonomous sex animation mechanics as well. But VN/a map/ a bed CYOA Story; would be the easiest method for most of you who use Ren'Py and GameMaker. Yes you can apply this even to a CYOA story in bed, it's that easy.
I had this decisions in bed idea since I played 2 games that left an impression on me but were undeveloped/just flavor text. In one game you have a naturally big cock and the guy only enters with 2/4 of it and the girl still looks like she's about to die or have a fever or give birth. Then afterwards she says something akin to That was great, a few more rounds like that and I won't be able to keep up, keep up implying she won't be able to have sex with you anymore or she'll orgasm even faster as opposed to building up resistance.
And another game where you choose surprise anal and at the end the girl says she'll get you for that but still smiles and accepts it. Unfortunately that comeuppance never comes. She also implies she'll make you do a favor for her as well, but again that never comes cause the CYOA VN ends there. Very undeveloped.
4. The overworld. What happens in bed affects the overworld and vice versa, but let's focus on the bed affecting the overworld since that's the thing most porn devs never do.
She could refuse to make you your morning coffee or she could make it extra good depending how you fucked her that night and depending on the person/character.
4.5) Instead of losing to get to porn you get 0 porn until you finish arbitrary goals. Such as you must run away from the rapist for 5-15 minutes else you just get a game over screen devoid of porn. After you survive 5-15 minutes you ironically get the scenes where you get caught and fucked by the french skunk lover.
5) Fitting themes/stories. Doing favors for sex or even for money has been a true and tested reason for sex since time immemorial, same for playing from the perspective of a prostitute, yet these never came up in stories. Most games never have you play as a prostitute or the secretary or boss and there's no anticipation and desire in it, merely a goal to finish the game/story quicker. There's also not much in the way of horror porn that's actually hot, you never play as a monster protagonist.
Most of the secondary character encounters feel shallow ... there is no desire to want to fuck the girl in the subway.
Also the way "everyone has sex in this world and walks naked and everyone blah blah" feels very Second Life-ish and shallow(and inadequate). In order to buy this world design idea where sex is free you'd require the characters to actually be laidback & charming and gender reversals such as the girl approaching with a flower to the male or prostitution being legal and very normalized, etc. etc. nobody ever does a sex world correctly. Simply covering everything in dicks & oversized tits and sexual innuendo names is not how you do a sex world, that's once again merely a theme, a very ughhh theme. A sex world wouldn't have religion. A sex world hippies would actually be real terrorist protestors instead of do-nothings and beggars.
5.5) Fitting video game ideas that fit perfectly with the porn theme.
A) Wrestling is a very good combo. South Park enjoyed calling real wrestling gay porn and fake wrestling just melodrama for rednecks. Certain wrestling games let you build your own wrestling moves/positions which porn could benefit greatly from. Certain wrestling games just like Football have an automation option that's ON by default and how the game is programmed and designed around, to be played hands free as you combine elements and see the results.
B) Voyeurism where you're a photographer/cameraguy with telescope/binoculaurs which has to either stake out his prey in a slow but calculated game of learning your targets. Or a more active approach where you follow them by doing parkour and playing a spy role. Then combine it with another active role; you get to play as multiple characters such as the husband or bf of the waifu you were staking out and vice versa if you're a woman.
C) Super kidnapper. Spiderman would make for a great kidnapper. Just grab any NPC and sex them on the roof at night. This is almost an element that's part of the genre. Something like Rapeman the anime.
D) Stealth, again an element. Goes with voyeurism but can go with many others such as the theme of vampires/corruption. Which again go hand in hand with kidnapping. Incubus/Succubus again.
E) Hitman/seduction game. Basically playing the sociopath's game of manipulation. Pretend to be other people, not just physically but mentally as you pretend to be a different person.
F) Shapeshifter/goes hand in hand with time reset, alternate universes to get a clean slate. The difference would be that you'd have to hide your true identity and any girl that got certain PTSD from your previous encounters will refuse to do the same action with the new person such as she could be scared of oral cause in your previous run you raped her throat.
6) Weight/ Idealism; If this were a NFT Casino PvP MMORPG where you could lose precious time, money/gear, etc. you'd suddenly feel a slew of emotions. The human brain is very capable of frying itself with simple delusions; making the player believe he waged his house and lost ... or making him believe he won 10 houses. A noob in Runescape who knows nothing who spent 2 days earning 500 GP will cry genuine tears of that less than pocket change. It's all in knowledge/expectations/delusions/fooling him to believing certain things. The AI you were playing with was actually another player all along and vice versa.
Let's say you join a waifu character's club and must do certain things or answer certain questions ... you only get to do this one time so you have to answer correctly, luckily you only have to get 50% of it right, but do it wrong and you'll have to wait 30 in-game days to do it again. All in the weight. All in the "you should feel happy you got this secret chance to open up a secret club with secret waifus that only appears once every moon".
7) What do we add next? or do we evolve some ideas from 3) ?
Most say that gameplay and porn don't mix well.
""""I can just say something simple regarding gameplay: Never mix sex and gameplay because it never works. You want sex to masturbate and gameplay to, well, play. So the best thing you can do is just make sex a reward of playing the game well, like how getting a new weapon is a reward in Mega Man. Like so, you should actually give a motivation to the player for him to want those sex scenes like, again, the weapons in megaman.""""
I disagree by saying you're not mixing it properly because the porn genre hasn't been invented. Banging your head against the door won't break the door open, we use a key for that.
Use the damn key. However the weapons in megaman is correct and furthermore having 8 different starting points/levels in Megaman should have also been said. Instead of unlocking waifus linearly you already have 1 RNG one unlocked and you have 1 "weapon" cock, hands, tongue attribute unlocked to make each gameplay more different.
The porn genres elements? what should they be in your opinion?
Simulation obviously, Imo focus on anatomy. Attention to the waifu characters having agency IN ANY WAY else their whining/cheerleading doesn't matter. Focus on the bed part. Focus on the bed affecting the rest of the game rather than the other way around. A specific Sandbox element which requires unlockables, basically an exploration game. Lack of gameover screen.
Objective arbitrary timers; you only get porn/reward if you survive X amount of minutes(the harder challenging part) as opposed to taking the easy way out. Or at best you pay with coins for the porn part for surviving each minute, but not the arbitrary goal.
Paying any character for instant sex or doing an instant favor for them or favors that act as IOUs. (Devs can't even add separate prostitute characters)
A porn game's element just like most shooters have grenades ... could have an alternate way of thrusting where the guy or girl always thrusts in almost all the way(with a slight controlled RNG) , and you control the mouse - the longer you hold pressed LMB the longer you either pull out or pull in. And the longer you thrust too fast without stopping for a bit or without holding onto your waifu or guy the easier it is to accidentally go all the way which is bad for the cervix. Having a depth limiter could be a porn genre's specific element.
Porn genre cliches/tropes just like how horror movies have bad ends, such as evil exotic cock/transforming cocks. Corruption through transformation or magical armour/ancient artefact. Being careful not to hit the cervix. Big cocks always resulting in slower thrusting and even more reactions from the girl; sweat, blushing, deep breathing, visible breathing, etc. (normally this should apply to any average cock for maximum appeal).
Exotic cock could be out of the protagonist's control, making both the player and the waifu character freak out if that is the desired reaction as opposed to the player being in control, the player is no longer in control of his own body/cock. RNG or rather intuitive RNG affecting the outcome.
Etc.
- You could play from the perspective of the girl which means a lot of RNG and guiding your partner on how to fuck you depending on your set mission goals/biology. You'd be forced to make him go faster and rougher so you get more pleasure, but at the same time it would be like real biology where you struggle to cum or you end up cumming very easily due to stress or his cock being big, but also causing pain and then it turns RNG. The male would require a 40% bar progression to come and the female a 70% bar progression. Clit stimulation could offer an extra 5-10% bonus, but if your partner didn't come up with the other 60% then you'll get a crappy climax. Usually how it goes with epithelial cells on cockhead... the head you send the pleasure directly to it and it's much smaller thus smaller QUICKER reactions, unlike the clit that's mostly covered and about 10x times bigger and the signals are sent slower/lagging indirectly by making the epithelial cells touch the clit through vibrations+pressure or through a shallower wall of epithelial cells where the pleasure feels more direct but can also lead to overstimulation, because of that slow reaction/lag/indirect approach it's why it's so important to keep a consistent pace, despite the "stronger" reactions it's like rubbing your cockhead through your underwear or through a condom at best. At the same time your brain can get bored of the same exact stimuli and ask for a "refresh" a change of pace because it got too used to the sensation.
A RNG could cause certain thrusts/moves to be better than others. The alien cock growing inch by inch could be controlled RNG heavy, as in you make it stop but it still has 5 possible rolls to go which can make it grow by another an inch.
And another RNG which isn't as realistic where you as the girl can survive a 13 inch cock if you simply have great RNG despite your biology limiting you at 7 inches for one character and 8 inches with another character.
You could also make it so it increases only 0.25, 0.33 and 0.5 inches realistically.
And its most basic common sense features such as customization of the girl. Super Deepthroat was really good at the basic details.
The porn VN genre would be the easiest to script these features in albeit still painful cause it's not automatic for you as the programmer when the numbers start working for you. CYOAs get annoying to do when everything is custom and there's no dynamic system that works off of each other.
I can add even more which already are getting kinda redundant and complex.
Along with thrusting at an angle you could change the texture, shape of the cock and the vaginal canal. Which I already mentioned, but I'm putting more focus on it now by potentially turning it into a 8) "customize your own cock" game and said customization impact the actions/reactions/attitude & even personality of the girl along with her body.
Roughenss is already by itself kind of a combined word. Thrusting deeply and quickly usually means roughness. Rough thrusting however can very well mean simply a nuanced way of thrusting your sword/cock. Rough means full of interruptions, smooth means consistent. Usually men enjoy it rough cause their clit I mean headcock is full of quick small reactions, thus they appreciate more variety in thrusting, more "interruptions" through variety. Women which lag behind and receive stronger signals need it at a more consistent pace to be capable of even registering the signals to enjoy it.
Otherwise just like untrained men they will cum immediately if the girl rides him too fast. Those who are used to sex usually won't cum even if she goes fast, interrupted or consistent.
And usually men who enjoy it slow are lazy and enjoy pressing it, for women who don't have overly sensitive cells this is good for them, but not for the sensitive types who need repause.
Often times it can feel too sensitive when you're sweating and go slow, all those cells "glueing" onto one another, it gives the same feeling as peeling off duct tape off your genitals. Liquids/sweat matter a lot not just for lubrication during rough textures. If you're not lubricated you can tear off your skin instead of it sliding slippery and smoothly, but at the same it can be too sensitive cause that liquid keeps touching it permanently. Sweat is awful as a liquid cause it sticks, it's sticky, unlike the natural liquids in your body or those tiny bottles that come to be lubed on the condom or cock. Same way water is awful for slippery purposes, it's way less slippery than those natural liquids ... and water with epithelial cells simply don't create that slippery texture unlike plastic that was already slippery by itself.
The gameplay and porn must be combined in a very seamless way that doesn't detract from one another, but complement each other. It's harder to achieve than horror games.
Devs constantly forget the bed part and do not use basic common sense such as autonomous decisions and waiting. Fight games for example are live and have timers, they are not good for porn. In porn you must bide your time.
As such I am creating this thread for simple people.
I'd like to offer you a guideline and then you all share your ideas in this thread.
Sex is suppose to be interactive and fun. How can you interact in a fun way if it's linear and feels like a chore?
1.The streaming/live recording element mixed with porn made for a very good combination, it's seamless. That is one example that's been done.
1.5) Another one was balancing work with sex. You need to do your job but at the same time do some inbetween sex.
2. Interactive mouse pointer through AI/bot/Waifu character.
Your waifu character at best can only show her displeasure through dialogue & facial gestures, but she never has any interaction with you such as changing the poses. At best/worst she gives you a game over screen and calls it a day, like the lazy dev who programmed her. No, your waifu character requires her own mouse cursor to interact with your UI.
Perhaps you invade her UI and have to figure out how to approach her to unlock her UI or just forcebrute it, almost like a hacking game. It turns into a cursor & UI war.
Each girl would have her unique UI and her unique cursor to deal with you. Piss her off and she knocks your cursor off screen, jails it, locks certain options such as anal, forces you to perform oral on her, rides you cowgirl, etc. the idea is for it to not end in a "We're done playing", but in a "Now we're playing it by my rules".
As such dicerolls can also be very effective if we pair them with actions and reactions.
What if I gave you something simple to work in such as a CYOA VN in Ren'Py? but with a good fitting idea? a theme/execution so good it becomes the gameplay since this was already based on animated mechanics?
Bed CYOA
3. You make decisions during the sex, but you make them not in a linear way, you make them to get a reaction out of the girl and possibly an action in the overworld. You get a hint at what you're doing right and wrong as opposed to blind quizzes, it could be 1 general satisfaction bar followed by 10 satisfaction bars.
2B) You make it to get achievements/badges/points to upgrade your main character with to unlock even more reactions such as a bigger dick or an exotic alien dick will change the way the girl reacts to you.
For example even in the simplest VN made in Ren'Py you can make a sex CYOA where you do certain positions, you choose if missionary, doggy, cowgirl, anal, oral, pussy, you choose the speed, you choose how to grab her. And you get girls A,B,C,D. For example you choose girl A) Anal & slow, this results in a succesful consensual anal scene. If you go Anal & Fast this results in a non-consensual anal scene, but here's the kicker ... the second one is not an unsuccesful attempt that leads to a game over. The second one leads to your girl being more submissive and accepting abuse ... and you can add in a time revert/AU element too if you want the girl to fight and press rape charges. This helps with something such as alien Species encounters. The idea is to unlock as many badges as possible.
If you go with girl C) & D) then even going anal, slow (x3 times) won't work, you need to work something extra. DURING anal Something extra meaning kissing, placing your hand on her stomach, handholding, types of dialogue/dirty talking, doing favors for her in bed(RNG chosen by the girl) or favors in the overworld outside bed. Connecting the overworld to the bed is also important, but first let's focus on the sex scene.
3B).
The thing however would be that you'd need hints and to be able to use basic common sense. A certain bio about the girl for example.
A) is emotionally sensitive and has a strong ass. Loves rough quick thrusting in pussy. B) Is emotionally tough and has a strong ass, loves rough slow thrusting in pussy.
C) is emotionally sensitive and has a weak ass. Loves shallow quick thrusting in pussy D) is emotionally tough and has a weak ass, loves deep slow thrusting in pussy
You get presented with options such as; thrusting in bursts, thrusting quick & shallow, grinding deeply, grinding shallowy, thrusting in waves, pressing/poking, and then certain moves(with info boxes) with funny names such as double-breaker(pull out slowly then thrust all the way in, pull out quickly then thrust all the way in and grind deeply).
If you unlock the big cock or exotic alien cock then you get a new slew of options, especially the alien cock that reacts completely different from what you know about sex.
The big cock would give you the extra option to be able to control how deeply you insert it. Going beyond 50% would need some heavy cues about when to use it, namely perhaps the character herself telling you to ... only to realize she can't and tell you to back off.
Such as the alien cock could be stationary and offer rather than thrusting and vibrations like a normal cock and dildo it would offer instead chemical & transformation options which would impact the girl some other way and make her do more interesting reactions. Lactation, the girl's ass & pussy resistance & shape, her psychology(could turn submissive, dominant or yandere). The alien cock could grow scales to turn into a dragon cock which would make thrusting back outwards painful but at the same time extremely pleasurable if done correctly. Instead of maintaining a specific pace you could thrust quickly at any pace because you affected her biology and now her entire pussy reacts like the head of a cock. It can affect the way the epithelial cells & stimuli work.
All of this can be applied to live sex and autonomous sex animation mechanics as well. But VN/a map/ a bed CYOA Story; would be the easiest method for most of you who use Ren'Py and GameMaker. Yes you can apply this even to a CYOA story in bed, it's that easy.
I had this decisions in bed idea since I played 2 games that left an impression on me but were undeveloped/just flavor text. In one game you have a naturally big cock and the guy only enters with 2/4 of it and the girl still looks like she's about to die or have a fever or give birth. Then afterwards she says something akin to That was great, a few more rounds like that and I won't be able to keep up, keep up implying she won't be able to have sex with you anymore or she'll orgasm even faster as opposed to building up resistance.
And another game where you choose surprise anal and at the end the girl says she'll get you for that but still smiles and accepts it. Unfortunately that comeuppance never comes. She also implies she'll make you do a favor for her as well, but again that never comes cause the CYOA VN ends there. Very undeveloped.
4. The overworld. What happens in bed affects the overworld and vice versa, but let's focus on the bed affecting the overworld since that's the thing most porn devs never do.
She could refuse to make you your morning coffee or she could make it extra good depending how you fucked her that night and depending on the person/character.
4.5) Instead of losing to get to porn you get 0 porn until you finish arbitrary goals. Such as you must run away from the rapist for 5-15 minutes else you just get a game over screen devoid of porn. After you survive 5-15 minutes you ironically get the scenes where you get caught and fucked by the french skunk lover.
5) Fitting themes/stories. Doing favors for sex or even for money has been a true and tested reason for sex since time immemorial, same for playing from the perspective of a prostitute, yet these never came up in stories. Most games never have you play as a prostitute or the secretary or boss and there's no anticipation and desire in it, merely a goal to finish the game/story quicker. There's also not much in the way of horror porn that's actually hot, you never play as a monster protagonist.
Most of the secondary character encounters feel shallow ... there is no desire to want to fuck the girl in the subway.
Also the way "everyone has sex in this world and walks naked and everyone blah blah" feels very Second Life-ish and shallow(and inadequate). In order to buy this world design idea where sex is free you'd require the characters to actually be laidback & charming and gender reversals such as the girl approaching with a flower to the male or prostitution being legal and very normalized, etc. etc. nobody ever does a sex world correctly. Simply covering everything in dicks & oversized tits and sexual innuendo names is not how you do a sex world, that's once again merely a theme, a very ughhh theme. A sex world wouldn't have religion. A sex world hippies would actually be real terrorist protestors instead of do-nothings and beggars.
5.5) Fitting video game ideas that fit perfectly with the porn theme.
A) Wrestling is a very good combo. South Park enjoyed calling real wrestling gay porn and fake wrestling just melodrama for rednecks. Certain wrestling games let you build your own wrestling moves/positions which porn could benefit greatly from. Certain wrestling games just like Football have an automation option that's ON by default and how the game is programmed and designed around, to be played hands free as you combine elements and see the results.
B) Voyeurism where you're a photographer/cameraguy with telescope/binoculaurs which has to either stake out his prey in a slow but calculated game of learning your targets. Or a more active approach where you follow them by doing parkour and playing a spy role. Then combine it with another active role; you get to play as multiple characters such as the husband or bf of the waifu you were staking out and vice versa if you're a woman.
C) Super kidnapper. Spiderman would make for a great kidnapper. Just grab any NPC and sex them on the roof at night. This is almost an element that's part of the genre. Something like Rapeman the anime.
D) Stealth, again an element. Goes with voyeurism but can go with many others such as the theme of vampires/corruption. Which again go hand in hand with kidnapping. Incubus/Succubus again.
E) Hitman/seduction game. Basically playing the sociopath's game of manipulation. Pretend to be other people, not just physically but mentally as you pretend to be a different person.
F) Shapeshifter/goes hand in hand with time reset, alternate universes to get a clean slate. The difference would be that you'd have to hide your true identity and any girl that got certain PTSD from your previous encounters will refuse to do the same action with the new person such as she could be scared of oral cause in your previous run you raped her throat.
6) Weight/ Idealism; If this were a NFT Casino PvP MMORPG where you could lose precious time, money/gear, etc. you'd suddenly feel a slew of emotions. The human brain is very capable of frying itself with simple delusions; making the player believe he waged his house and lost ... or making him believe he won 10 houses. A noob in Runescape who knows nothing who spent 2 days earning 500 GP will cry genuine tears of that less than pocket change. It's all in knowledge/expectations/delusions/fooling him to believing certain things. The AI you were playing with was actually another player all along and vice versa.
Let's say you join a waifu character's club and must do certain things or answer certain questions ... you only get to do this one time so you have to answer correctly, luckily you only have to get 50% of it right, but do it wrong and you'll have to wait 30 in-game days to do it again. All in the weight. All in the "you should feel happy you got this secret chance to open up a secret club with secret waifus that only appears once every moon".
7) What do we add next? or do we evolve some ideas from 3) ?
Most say that gameplay and porn don't mix well.
""""I can just say something simple regarding gameplay: Never mix sex and gameplay because it never works. You want sex to masturbate and gameplay to, well, play. So the best thing you can do is just make sex a reward of playing the game well, like how getting a new weapon is a reward in Mega Man. Like so, you should actually give a motivation to the player for him to want those sex scenes like, again, the weapons in megaman.""""
I disagree by saying you're not mixing it properly because the porn genre hasn't been invented. Banging your head against the door won't break the door open, we use a key for that.
Use the damn key. However the weapons in megaman is correct and furthermore having 8 different starting points/levels in Megaman should have also been said. Instead of unlocking waifus linearly you already have 1 RNG one unlocked and you have 1 "weapon" cock, hands, tongue attribute unlocked to make each gameplay more different.
The porn genres elements? what should they be in your opinion?
Simulation obviously, Imo focus on anatomy. Attention to the waifu characters having agency IN ANY WAY else their whining/cheerleading doesn't matter. Focus on the bed part. Focus on the bed affecting the rest of the game rather than the other way around. A specific Sandbox element which requires unlockables, basically an exploration game. Lack of gameover screen.
Objective arbitrary timers; you only get porn/reward if you survive X amount of minutes(the harder challenging part) as opposed to taking the easy way out. Or at best you pay with coins for the porn part for surviving each minute, but not the arbitrary goal.
Paying any character for instant sex or doing an instant favor for them or favors that act as IOUs. (Devs can't even add separate prostitute characters)
A porn game's element just like most shooters have grenades ... could have an alternate way of thrusting where the guy or girl always thrusts in almost all the way(with a slight controlled RNG) , and you control the mouse - the longer you hold pressed LMB the longer you either pull out or pull in. And the longer you thrust too fast without stopping for a bit or without holding onto your waifu or guy the easier it is to accidentally go all the way which is bad for the cervix. Having a depth limiter could be a porn genre's specific element.
Porn genre cliches/tropes just like how horror movies have bad ends, such as evil exotic cock/transforming cocks. Corruption through transformation or magical armour/ancient artefact. Being careful not to hit the cervix. Big cocks always resulting in slower thrusting and even more reactions from the girl; sweat, blushing, deep breathing, visible breathing, etc. (normally this should apply to any average cock for maximum appeal).
Exotic cock could be out of the protagonist's control, making both the player and the waifu character freak out if that is the desired reaction as opposed to the player being in control, the player is no longer in control of his own body/cock. RNG or rather intuitive RNG affecting the outcome.
Etc.
- You could play from the perspective of the girl which means a lot of RNG and guiding your partner on how to fuck you depending on your set mission goals/biology. You'd be forced to make him go faster and rougher so you get more pleasure, but at the same time it would be like real biology where you struggle to cum or you end up cumming very easily due to stress or his cock being big, but also causing pain and then it turns RNG. The male would require a 40% bar progression to come and the female a 70% bar progression. Clit stimulation could offer an extra 5-10% bonus, but if your partner didn't come up with the other 60% then you'll get a crappy climax. Usually how it goes with epithelial cells on cockhead... the head you send the pleasure directly to it and it's much smaller thus smaller QUICKER reactions, unlike the clit that's mostly covered and about 10x times bigger and the signals are sent slower/lagging indirectly by making the epithelial cells touch the clit through vibrations+pressure or through a shallower wall of epithelial cells where the pleasure feels more direct but can also lead to overstimulation, because of that slow reaction/lag/indirect approach it's why it's so important to keep a consistent pace, despite the "stronger" reactions it's like rubbing your cockhead through your underwear or through a condom at best. At the same time your brain can get bored of the same exact stimuli and ask for a "refresh" a change of pace because it got too used to the sensation.
A RNG could cause certain thrusts/moves to be better than others. The alien cock growing inch by inch could be controlled RNG heavy, as in you make it stop but it still has 5 possible rolls to go which can make it grow by another an inch.
And another RNG which isn't as realistic where you as the girl can survive a 13 inch cock if you simply have great RNG despite your biology limiting you at 7 inches for one character and 8 inches with another character.
You could also make it so it increases only 0.25, 0.33 and 0.5 inches realistically.
And its most basic common sense features such as customization of the girl. Super Deepthroat was really good at the basic details.
The porn VN genre would be the easiest to script these features in albeit still painful cause it's not automatic for you as the programmer when the numbers start working for you. CYOAs get annoying to do when everything is custom and there's no dynamic system that works off of each other.
I can add even more which already are getting kinda redundant and complex.
Along with thrusting at an angle you could change the texture, shape of the cock and the vaginal canal. Which I already mentioned, but I'm putting more focus on it now by potentially turning it into a 8) "customize your own cock" game and said customization impact the actions/reactions/attitude & even personality of the girl along with her body.
Roughenss is already by itself kind of a combined word. Thrusting deeply and quickly usually means roughness. Rough thrusting however can very well mean simply a nuanced way of thrusting your sword/cock. Rough means full of interruptions, smooth means consistent. Usually men enjoy it rough cause their clit I mean headcock is full of quick small reactions, thus they appreciate more variety in thrusting, more "interruptions" through variety. Women which lag behind and receive stronger signals need it at a more consistent pace to be capable of even registering the signals to enjoy it.
Otherwise just like untrained men they will cum immediately if the girl rides him too fast. Those who are used to sex usually won't cum even if she goes fast, interrupted or consistent.
And usually men who enjoy it slow are lazy and enjoy pressing it, for women who don't have overly sensitive cells this is good for them, but not for the sensitive types who need repause.
Often times it can feel too sensitive when you're sweating and go slow, all those cells "glueing" onto one another, it gives the same feeling as peeling off duct tape off your genitals. Liquids/sweat matter a lot not just for lubrication during rough textures. If you're not lubricated you can tear off your skin instead of it sliding slippery and smoothly, but at the same it can be too sensitive cause that liquid keeps touching it permanently. Sweat is awful as a liquid cause it sticks, it's sticky, unlike the natural liquids in your body or those tiny bottles that come to be lubed on the condom or cock. Same way water is awful for slippery purposes, it's way less slippery than those natural liquids ... and water with epithelial cells simply don't create that slippery texture unlike plastic that was already slippery by itself.
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