VN Ren'Py Stay Online [v0.85] [LadyLana]

[StrawberryCheese83]

On the loyal Path...nothing of this happens...although with the last Update 0.85 the final Conversation in her Bedroom between douchebag-Markus and her came to an weird ending. He wanted to talk about hubbys Laptop and the odd Browsercache (Links to whatever) and she cut him off in mid-sentence. After this, he s leaving her bedroom and the conversation ends. That was a really weird transition. The written Text doesn t fit the vibe in the Bedroom. He behavior should be totally different like, that she WANT him to leave and she should keep some distance between them. That would be logical behavior.

I m breaking a branch a for almost every Women outthere, that every loyal wife would have thrown this asshole out to the streets. No matter what. Douchebag is a homewrecker and nothing more. She should strap on a pair and talk business with this Asshole. Either he only cares about his own shit, or he can fuck off. He should also stay out of their lives. Also he had vibes of an Rapist.

 

[redoubt27]

And with 0.85, MC knows she fucked Marcus on ALL paths, so the question is: what now?

That could be "the very end" for NTR fans expecting the cheating to last forever...

The dev still has a path for "cheating" to continue. The question will be whether the MC breaks up with Julia or not.
If the reader chose to "end call", they didn't see the BJ, and if chose the bottom option in the Markus texting, they don't see the Markus video call either. The "cheating" is revealed via security camera, at the end of current update.

I can only presume in the next update, the dev will give choices for the MC.
- end the relationship, thus the "game"...
- reveal knowledge, Julia/Markus will likely wonder how, or Julia can flat out gaslight/deny. Julia finds out about the cameras, and starts "cheating" where the MC can't see...
- MC goes along with it, actively or passively.

There's still a path for the NTR/cheating fans to still have cheating.
Just have to wait and see...

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

Hmmm....i dont know...maybe you are right....but what is with the loyal path??? Julia doesn t intend to cheat and on my Gamepath (so far) she hasn t done anything wrong (besides wearing to less clothes in front of strangers and kissing an Asshole during a Partygame). She s faithful to her hubby and i think a few hidden cameras wouldn t change a solid relationship/marriage. I mean, there are enough people irl who protect their homes with cameras, in and outside. So this shouldn t be a big deal. My personal guess is, that Julia (on the faithful path) is too dumb to recognise who is hitting on her, because she s in good faith that all these men around her are nothing more than "nice and helpful" friends. The Hubby is trying to keep these men away and in the End he will succeed; comes back home and thats it. (yeah..i know...whishful thinking....but hey...not everything has to end bad with e.g. hardcore cheating or busted realtionsships....A happy ending for the Couple together should always be an option)

 

[Filipis]

That could be "the very end" for NTR fans expecting the cheating to last forever...

The dev still has a path for "cheating" to continue. The question will be whether the MC breaks up with Julia or not.
If the reader chose to "end call", they didn't see the BJ, and if chose the bottom option in the Markus texting, they don't see the Markus video call either. The "cheating" is revealed via security camera, at the end of current update.

I can only presume in the next update, the dev will give choices for the MC.
- end the relationship, thus the "game"...
- reveal knowledge, Julia/Markus will likely wonder how, or Julia can flat out gaslight/deny. Julia finds out about the cameras, and starts "cheating" where the MC can't see...
- MC goes along with it, actively or passively.

There's still a path for the NTR/cheating fans to still have cheating.
Just have to wait and see...

That's IF you end the videocall when she tells you to. The first opportunity to "find out" she is cheating on you is then & there, and the situation was setup to where it didn't have to be a "game over" (could've had MC or Julia claim the benefit of ambiguity), but the scenes in 0.85 don't even leave that on the table anymore. Gaslighting is not an option when the MC has recordings of them having sex.

What should've happened was Marcus (on the cheating path) discovering cameras, then proceeding with the NTR path but by not giving the MC a clear LoS.

All of your options just reduce the NTR path to "MC watches on camera while his wife cheats on him and doesn't do anything about it". Problem is, the dev set up the situation so that the NTR as it is now is kinda written into a corner.

 

[redoubt27]

That's IF you end the videocall when she tells you to. The first opportunity to "find out" she is cheating on you is then & there, and the situation was setup to where it didn't have to be a "game over" (could've had MC or Julia claim the benefit of ambiguity), but the scenes in 0.85 don't even leave that on the table anymore. Gaslighting is not an option when the MC has recordings of them having sex.

What should've happened was Marcus (on the cheating path) discovering cameras, then proceeding with the NTR path but by not giving the MC a clear LoS.

All of your options just reduce the NTR path to "MC watches on camera while his wife cheats on him and doesn't do anything about it". Problem is, the dev set up the situation so that the NTR as it is now is kinda written into a corner.

Well, it seems ridiculous to continue the "cheating" open ended in perpetuity...
The story has to "resolve" at some point. Otherwise, the MC is just a clueless idiot.

IF you end the videocall...
Well, if you want open ended cheating, like you suggest NTR "fans" want, why wouldn't you end the call?
I understand your preference for how you think the story could/should go, but that's just your preference.

Julia gaslighting/denial is still an option, unless the MC wants to give away the cameras...
If MC plays that hand to confront Julia, she can then "hide" it more and gaslight even more.

Your suggestion of Marcus discovering the cameras might work better on the cheating path you want, but that's not the way the dev chose to move the story toward possible conclusion. And some want the option to discover, confront the cheating.
The dev doesn't seem to want to the leave the MC/reader a clueless idiot. The story has clearly pointed toward the MC/reader eventually having a choice about what they will or will not allow Julia to do...

All of my options do not reduce the NTR path to "MC watches on camera while his wife cheats on him..."
The option of wife continues to cheat out of MC's LOS is still there. MC will just know about the one time...

Cheating stories generally back themselves into a corner when the story is pointing toward the MC eventually finding out, which this one does... The reader has the MC's POV, so it's difficult to show cheating scenes without the MC finding out. And in my experience, NTR fans want to see the FMC get railed by other dudes... That's difficult to do in this story without the MC knowing, because the reader has MC's POV, which is limited, not omnipotent...

 

[Adhdclassic]

Just curious the balcony scene is cheating. If he doesn't say anything to her about it is it still cheating? Doesn't make much sense if you are not given a choice to do the same thing you did when the camera is on with the blowjob you are given a choice. The only way I can see him not saying anything is if he decides to play with someone on the side. But the way the DEV set the MC up he doesn't seem like that type. To me this would be the last time we are given the option to dump her. After this its all fair game.

 

[Dessolos]

Just curious the balcony scene is cheating. If he doesn't say anything to her about it is it still cheating? Doesn't make much sense if you are not given a choice to do the same thing you did when the camera is on with the blowjob you are given a choice. The only way I can see him not saying anything is if he decides to play with someone on the side. But the way the DEV set the MC up he doesn't seem like that type. To me this would be the last time we are given the option to dump her. After this its all fair game.

Honestly even the sex scene on the NTS path was borderline cheating to me because yeah he kind of gave permission to do things but also the fact she goes from BJ to sex to quickly without asking for permission or if it's something the husband would like , you know proper communication. Just said might have a naughty surprise for him

 

[redoubt27]

Just curious the balcony scene is cheating. If he doesn't say anything to her about it is it still cheating? Doesn't make much sense if you are not given a choice to do the same thing you did when the camera is on with the blowjob you are given a choice. The only way I can see him not saying anything is if he decides to play with someone on the side. But the way the DEV set the MC up he doesn't seem like that type. To me this would be the last time we are given the option to dump her. After this its all fair game.

Have to wait and see what Lana is going to do. The option to confront is one way to go, and presume it will be given. However, in doing so, the MC will be providing Julia an avenue to continue "cheating" out of MC's LOS. Depends on how long Lana is going to carry on this story and if the cheating path will be ended or converted to NTR(S), with the tone being cuckold [NTR(S)] or hotwife/sharing (NTS).
On the NTS path, if Julia doesn't tell the MC about the balcony, yeah, it'll be cheating...

Honestly even the sex scene on the NTS path was borderline cheating to me because yeah he kind of gave permission to do things but also the fact she goes from BJ to sex without asking for permission or if it's something the husband would like , you know proper communication. Just said might have a naughty surprise for him

Lana has corrected story issues in the past, and wouldn't be surprised to see this one adjusted on the NTS path.
NTR(S-cuckold) path, it's fine.

On the NTS path, MC is already saying he's ok with it. Julia is a hotwife, she doesn't necessarily have to ask permission, as long as she tells the MC everything after. I prefer permission up front, too and agree it felt a bit like cheating. But, given how this one has progressed, I'm not overly concerned right now. Just have to wait and see how honest Julia is in the next update. Julia and MC still have a lot to talk about, sort out, and agree on.

 

[TonyMurray]

Lana has corrected story issues in the past

What was corrected? I've not seen anything, but I've only been following the game from 0.3 I think...

 

[Filipis]

Well, it seems ridiculous to continue the "cheating" open ended in perpetuity...
The story has to "resolve" at some point. Otherwise, the MC is just a clueless idiot.

IF you end the videocall...
Well, if you want open ended cheating, like you suggest NTR "fans" want, why wouldn't you end the call?
I understand your preference for how you think the story could/should go, but that's just your preference.

Julia gaslighting/denial is still an option, unless the MC wants to give away the cameras...
If MC plays that hand to confront Julia, she can then "hide" it more and gaslight even more.

Your suggestion of Marcus discovering the cameras might work better on the cheating path you want, but that's not the way the dev chose to move the story toward possible conclusion. And some want the option to discover, confront the cheating.
The dev doesn't seem to want to the leave the MC/reader a clueless idiot. The story has clearly pointed toward the MC/reader eventually having a choice about what they will or will not allow Julia to do...

All of my options do not reduce the NTR path to "MC watches on camera while his wife cheats on him..."
The option of wife continues to cheat out of MC's LOS is still there. MC will just know about the one time...

Cheating stories generally back themselves into a corner when the story is pointing toward the MC eventually finding out, which this one does... The reader has the MC's POV, so it's difficult to show cheating scenes without the MC finding out. And in my experience, NTR fans want to see the FMC get railed by other dudes... That's difficult to do in this story without the MC knowing, because the reader has MC's POV, which is limited, not omnipotent...

That's precisely the problem with the avenue that the dev chose to use: either we get constant opportunities to "close out" the NTR path by confronting the wife and getting a Game Over screen, or we get a moronic MC who chooses to block out traumatic events in his life on purpose. IMHO, neither is a satisfying portrayal of NTR. That's not to say that NTR in this game can't be satisfying, just that the dev chose the "wrong" way to go about it, i.e. they've written themselves into a corner with the balcony scene in 0.85.

The NTR path continuing while MC knows for sure makes no sense - why isn't he confronting her? You don't need ten different video recordings of your wife cheating on you to divorce her, one is plenty for any decent court. That's why gaslighting (if MC tries to fish out a confession from the wife) is a superficial option...

 

[redoubt27]

What was corrected? I've not seen anything, but I've only been following the game from 0.3 I think...

Most recently, some choices/variables were reworked that altered the NTR and NTS paths to split/differentiate them a bit more. NTR became more in line with the cheating route. I can't recall the specific variable, but I noticed the change in the script. The change "messed" up my previous NTR path (which was a little closer to the NTS choices), had to go back and make some different choices to get back on the reworked NTR path.

Back early on, think it was v0.2 or v0.3, there was a conversation that didn't quite fit on the NTS path, it was the same as the NTR path and very "cuck" in nature. Lana reworked it to be more "gentle" toward an agreeable MC on the NTS path.
There have been a few other minor tweaks here and there, hardly noticeable unless you go back and replay previous chapters with new updates.

Point being, if something isn't quite right with the tone on the NTS path, Lana has made changes to make it more agreeable.
Not sure that is entirely necessary with the balcony scene in question as it can be addressed in the next update with Julia telling Patrick all the details, making it more like a hotwife type path rather than "swinging". But, would also be fine making it more consensual in nature.

 

[TonyMurray]

Most recently, some choices/variables were reworked that altered the NTR and NTS paths to split/differentiate them a bit more. NTR became more in line with the cheating route. I can't recall the specific variable, but I noticed the change in the script. The change "messed" up my previous NTR path (which was a little closer to the NTS choices), had to go back and make some different choices to get back on the reworked NTR path.

Back early on, think it was v0.2 or v0.3, there was a conversation that didn't quite fit on the NTS path, it was the same as the NTR path and very "cuck" in nature. Lana reworked it to be more "gentle" toward an agreeable MC on the NTS path.
There have been a few other minor tweaks here and there, hardly noticeable unless you go back and replay previous chapters with new updates.

Point being, if something isn't quite right with the tone on the NTS path, Lana has made changes to make it more agreeable.
Not sure that is entirely necessary with the balcony scene in question as it can be addressed in the next update with Julia telling Patrick all the details, making it more like a hotwife type path rather than "swinging". But, would also be fine making it more consensual in nature.

Ah okay, that makes some sense - I've said a few times that the "cuck" and "sharing" paths are barely differentiable. I appreciate some small changes like that, certainly rather than wholesale changes. Even though I won't notice them myself, as I won't start over unless forced, new players will avoid some of the smaller "issues".

 

[redoubt27]

That's precisely the problem with the avenue that the dev chose to use: either we get constant opportunities to "close out" the NTR path by confronting the wife and getting a Game Over screen, or we get a moronic MC who chooses to block out traumatic events in his life on purpose. IMHO, neither is a satisfying portrayal of NTR. That's not to say that NTR in this game can't be satisfying, just that the dev chose the "wrong" way to go about it, i.e. they've written themselves into a corner with the balcony scene in 0.85.

The NTR path continuing while MC knows for sure makes no sense - why isn't he confronting her? You don't need ten different video recordings of your wife cheating on you to divorce her, one is plenty for any decent court. That's why gaslighting (if MC tries to fish out a confession from the wife) is a superficial option...

The reader has a limited MC POV.
How would you make the NTR/cheating "satisfying" for NTR fans? without the MC seeing/knowing...

One of the common complaints from NTR "fans", is lack of sex scenes...
They want to see the FMC having sex with other dudes.
Lana can't show those scenes from a limited MC POV without the MC knowing/discovering the cheating.
Lana hasn't written the NTR into a corner, it's simply heading toward the inevitable conclusion... The reader/MC accepts it, or rejects it.

Not saying you have to like it or agree with it...
It's just not the "wrong" way to go about this story...

 

[oholivama]

Last couple of updates, I'm slightly confused as to the path I am on. I haven't got any bj, sex, etc scene yet, but I did get the hj scene inthe living room (or just seeing it and leaving, been trying both files to see a difference that only differ based on that variable) based on her previous interactions when you're looking at the cam when she is sleeping (interrupting or not).

Tried searching and reading through many posts and I'm lost. I think it means I'm on loyal, but then why can I get her to give a hj? And then nothing else after? Not complaining, just trying to understand where I'm at so I know how to move forward. Or maybe I need to start over, idk.

 

[whitewolf1990]

So in this game, is the "loyalty" path just basically the MC not seeing anything and the wife gaslighting him, or is it actually a true loyal path? Looking through the comments and its kind of hard to tell.

 

[TonyMurray]

Last couple of updates, I'm slightly confused as to the path I am on. I haven't got any bj, sex, etc scene yet, but I did get the hj scene inthe living room (or just seeing it and leaving, been trying both files to see a difference that only differ based on that variable) based on her previous interactions when you're looking at the cam when she is sleeping (interrupting or not).

Tried searching and reading through many posts and I'm lost. I think it means I'm on loyal, but then why can I get her to give a hj? And then nothing else after? Not complaining, just trying to understand where I'm at so I know how to move forward. Or maybe I need to start over, idk.

For the BJ you either need to be on the openly sharing/cuck path, where Julia tells you about the HJ. She will then arrange to hide her phone on a video chat while they play cards, and you'll see the BJ. Or, on the cheating path, where she doesn't tell you about the HJ, you have a video chat before they play cards and she asks you to hang up because her hands are wet/slippery, if you keep the call going, you see the BJ (but from a different angle, where you can see a little less). Admittedly, when I first did this run, I didn't get the option to keep the call going, I'm not sure why, but I redid some options and it came up.

So in this game, is the "loyalty" path just basically the MC not seeing anything and the wife gaslighting him, or is it actually a true loyal path? Looking through the comments and its kind of hard to tell.

No, it's a proper loyal path so far, but she will kiss Markus and do (non-sexual) massages as part of truth or dare games, and in the latest update she agrees to take her shorts off to play darts in her panties (a bit like boy-shorts, so not exactly a thong or anything) and to take a selfie where he has picked her up so she is in his arms.

 

[Filipis]

The reader has a limited MC POV.
How would you make the NTR/cheating "satisfying" for NTR fans? without the MC seeing/knowing...

One of the common complaints from NTR "fans", is lack of sex scenes...
They want to see the FMC having sex with other dudes.
Lana can't show those scenes from a limited MC POV without the MC knowing/discovering the cheating.
Lana hasn't written the NTR into a corner, it's simply heading toward the inevitable conclusion... The reader/MC accepts it, or rejects it.

Not saying you have to like it or agree with it...
It's just not the "wrong" way to go about this story...

You're right in that my ideas would mean little-to-barely any real "sex" scenes on the NTR path, but I suppose there's no other way to make a compelling NTR experience with just MC's perspective on things (the mystery element is primary here, the wife's is the sexy part).

I guess this may not exactly be the type of NTR I was looking forward to, as good as it is on its own.

 

[oholivama]

Admittedly, when I first did this run, I didn't get the option to keep the call going, I'm not sure why, but I redid some options and it came up.

I think that may be way, as well. Tried to get the call screen, but never did. I just redid all my choices to the best of my knowledge just to test it and no call screen again, but still got the hj. Not sure if it's intentional or not. I also tested for the darts games section, and no videos. Though I'm sure if I go back and make ever so slightly different a choice, it'll appear. Does make me wonder if it was purposeful or not, though, cause the hj otherwise feels out of place if nothing happens later.

And clarification, I didn't do full cheating, so that's (again) possibly why, but apparently enough for a hj.

 

[TonyMurray]

I think that may be way, as well. Tried to get the call screen, but never did. I just redid all my choices to the best of my knowledge just to test it and no call screen again, but still got the hj. Not sure if it's intentional or not. I also tested for the darts games section, and no videos. Though I'm sure if I go back and make ever so slightly different a choice, it'll appear. Does make me wonder if it was purposeful or not, though, cause the hj otherwise feels out of place if nothing happens later.

And clarification, I didn't do full cheating, so that's (again) possibly why, but apparently enough for a hj.

I can't remember what it was that I did to get the "end call/stay on" option to come up, sadly. It's definitely there though.

 

[Calpravus]

That's precisely the problem with the avenue that the dev chose to use: either we get constant opportunities to "close out" the NTR path by confronting the wife and getting a Game Over screen, or we get a moronic MC who chooses to block out traumatic events in his life on purpose. IMHO, neither is a satisfying portrayal of NTR. That's not to say that NTR in this game can't be satisfying, just that the dev chose the "wrong" way to go about it, i.e. they've written themselves into a corner with the balcony scene in 0.85.

The NTR path continuing while MC knows for sure makes no sense - why isn't he confronting her? You don't need ten different video recordings of your wife cheating on you to divorce her, one is plenty for any decent court. That's why gaslighting (if MC tries to fish out a confession from the wife) is a superficial option...

I've been following this discussion with great interest as I believe this game is one of the few if not the only one in this genera where you (mc) can actually grow some balls and divorce your cheating ho of a wife. So two thumbs up for that LadyLana.

That being said, I do believe there is a way for the Lady to write herself out of the "balcony scene corner". The NTR path can continue if MC wants to wait on confronting Julia until the divorce papers are drawn up and in her hands. The drawing up and delivery can take as long as LadyLana wishes. 2-4 weeks, 1-4 updates, whatever.

The point is that during this divorce paper draw up time, the MC will continually gaslight Julia into believing he is still her loving, completely-in-the-dark-about-the-cheating husband thus making Julia more comfortable with cheating and emboldening her to cheat more. I think this self corrupting cheating path Julia ventures down is something the NTR fans would like to see/watch.

I have no idea if LadyLana will go this route or how slutty she will write Julia on the cheat path, but what I do know is it'll be a hella good read because it has been so far and I have faith in her.

Anyway, take this grain of salt to go with these two pennies because this has been JUST an opinion.