VN Unity Rise of the White Flower [v0.12.6] [NecroBunnyStudios]

[NecroBunnyStudios]

Yeah I appreciate the idea, and agree that an IC option to ask wouldn't really make sense. My suggestion is just an option to not brew the futa potion, but I understand if it's too much effort to 2x every futa scene when most people don't seem to have much of an issue.

Fun game nonetheless

Well, it wouldn't be too hard to add a new variant for the scene tbh, just change the cock to a strap-on and we're off to the races. Adding the context for futa scenes not to be a thing... Hm. Is actually easy too now that I think bout it. I've been thinking about implementing a content filter for people that don't want to see certain scenes. It will take a lil bit longer for me to implement that, because I know for a fact that if I implement it and then don't go over the whole game applying all the filters people are going to give me shit in the comments. So I can't just apply for this scene and call it a day, I have to do the full implementantion. But yeah, I'm on it, Mr. Obama!

 

[Jedi_Master_Tallyn]

me trying to discern is Necrobunny is being sarcastic or serious.

 

[Hargan2]

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Yes

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

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Indeed

 

[Birdnman993]

I love Lena even though she sets off all my red flags, but I'm no stranger to crazy murderous girls, my favorite romance was Wenduag in "Pathfinder wrath of the righteous", still it's pretty funny how she gets on Catherine's nerves with her crazy killer habits.

Seralli is too adorable, if she were in today's time she would be famous on social media for how pretty she is, I just hope my promiscuous Catherine doesn't break her heart.

It was funny to see our dear Eleanor being openly racist with Sylvara and Lena, in fantasy or sci-fi RPGs there is always a racist partner like Ashley in ME, but at least Eleanor is too good and she gets over it quickly.

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

my favorite romance was Wenduag in "Pathfinder wrath of the righteous"

Mine too! I enjoy it when the walking red flag actually has a sweet romance route.

 

[justin.case]

Well, it wouldn't be too hard to add a new variant for the scene tbh, just change the cock to a strap-on and we're off to the races. Adding the context for futa scenes not to be a thing... Hm. Is actually easy too now that I think bout it. I've been thinking about implementing a content filter for people that don't want to see certain scenes. It will take a lil bit longer for me to implement that, because I know for a fact that if I implement it and then don't go over the whole game applying all the filters people are going to give me shit in the comments. So I can't just apply for this scene and call it a day, I have to do the full implementantion. But yeah, I'm on it, Mr. Obama!

Well, as far as I am aware futa potion is a must. How else I'd see little Lenas and Caths running around while Cath yelling don't murder your sister in the epilogue?

 

[justin.case]

I usualy don't ask spoiler but I wonder which one is better, Alarians or Edhelians? Alarians offer more and ask less but Edhelians living on the mainland is a dream of Lena? If I choose monitor the situation option, will Cath be able to bring both into fold? Btw, why Lena is not part of war council? I'd like to hear her opinion on this matter. On top of that, when they come to parley I think Lena's presence would be better.

Also, did Cath's school retconned? I think I remember she said she was Line of Tower but because of Kyo everyone thought she is Line of Flower. Though, last I played she said she is Line of Flower but she is capable in Line of Tower too.

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

I usualy don't ask spoiler but I wonder which one is better, Alarians or Edhelians? Alarians offer more and ask less but Edhelians living on the mainland is a dream of Lena? If I choose monitor the situation option, will Cath be able to bring both into fold? Btw, why Lena is not part of war council? I'd like to hear her opinion on this matter. On top of that, when they come to parley I think Lena's presence would be better.

Also, did Cath's school retconned? I think I remember she said she was Line of Tower but because of Kyo everyone thought she is Line of Flower. Though, last I played she said she is Line of Flower but she is capable in Line of Tower too.

Which one is better is up to your interpretation.

Lena is not on the council for two reasons, one that she doesn't really care about planning all that much and Catherine knows it. She would basically always suggest the course of action that led to battle as fast as possible regardless of dangers or consequences. Second, she is not often around the camp. Her and Kerrek are usually further away, scouting the enemy and skirmishing with the enemy scouts to prevent them from spying on Catherine's camps. She only comes back every now and again; either to see Catherine, if they're in a romance route, or for supplies if they're not.

Hm... I belive I made a mistake somewhere in the text then. Catherine belongs to the Line of the Flower. The thing is that she didn't follow the tradition of the Line of the Flower of specializing in enchantment magic and instead she specialized in conjuration, which is the Line of the Tower specialty. Each of the student that graduates from the Traxiaria belongs to a line, being Kyo's apprentice makes Catherine a member of the Line of the Flower, which is where her nickname of the White Flower came from.

 

[leiaran96]

does the slave path lock you out of romances? It automatically declined Seralli, but I don't remember the slave path telling me it'd cut off romances like other romance choices warn you of.

Edit: It seems it does! I guess I didn't notice that! Oh well. Evelyn is cool

 

[justin.case]

Hm... I belive I made a mistake somewhere in the text then. Catherine belongs to the Line of the Flower. The thing is that she didn't follow the tradition of the Line of the Flower of specializing in enchantment magic and instead she specialized in conjuration, which is the Line of the Tower specialty. Each of the student that graduates from the Traxiaria belongs to a line, being Kyo's apprentice makes Catherine a member of the Line of the Flower, which is where her nickname of the White Flower came from.

No mistake then, last playthrough she explained exactly like this. I said I remember differently on earlier updates but I can't be sure tbh, I maybe misremembering things.

Lena is not on the council for two reasons, one that she doesn't really care about planning all that much and Catherine knows it. She would basically always suggest the course of action that led to battle as fast as possible regardless of dangers or consequences. Second, she is not often around the camp. Her and Kerrek are usually further away, scouting the enemy and skirmishing with the enemy scouts to prevent them from spying on Catherine's camps. She only comes back every now and again; either to see Catherine, if they're in a romance route, or for supplies if they're not.

Tbh, I get the same feeling about she usually is not being in the camp, especially with Lena&Kerrek only quest. Which btw, I love it, I'd like to see more of companion only quest. Both, Elly and Lena only quests were pretty good. Second reasoning does not quite sit well with me though, maybe early in the game that would make sense but time and time again, she showed she has a knack for strategy. She is always accurate about her predictions, while it being minor things or general politics. Tbh, I really don't remember any of her prediction being inaccurate. So it's possible she'd choose bloodier paths as much as possible, she would not lead them in carnage. Which is always a positive on a war council. Though, to be fair, Seralli fill that spot as good. Also, Lena do care about Cath on friendly route and is crazy about her on love route. So if she can make Cath's life slightly easier she would not say she does not care about planning. On top of that, after Cath fell into a pit where she fought a dragon, she said you are the commander, lead which made me believe she'd like to be more involve in decisions that may put Cath in danger. So, at least on love path, she has lots of reasons to be part of decision making. Still though, that could be explainable by Cath asking her opinion at night, so she could have more time scouting in the daytime by not making her official war council member but as an advisor. So all in all, either way works for her. What I questioned though, those Alarian&Edhelian thing was directly involves her, also her area of expertise and Lena not being involved of it, which is not a single day event, does not make sense at all. I, at least expected a small scene where she comments on it.

TLDR: I desperately need more Lena content, please gib moar.

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Which one is better is up to your interpretation.

As in no downside on all 3 options or no upside on all 3 options?

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

No mistake then, last playthrough she explained exactly like this. I said I remember differently on earlier updates but I can't be sure tbh, I maybe misremembering things.


Tbh, I get the same feeling about she usually is not being in the camp, especially with Lena&Kerrek only quest. Which btw, I love it, I'd like to see more of companion only quest. Both, Elly and Lena only quests were pretty good. Second reasoning does not quite sit well with me though, maybe early in the game that would make sense but time and time again, she showed she has a knack for strategy. She is always accurate about her predictions, while it being minor things or general politics. Tbh, I really don't remember any of her prediction being inaccurate. So it's possible she'd choose bloodier paths as much as possible, she would not lead them in carnage. Which is always a positive on a war council. Though, to be fair, Seralli fill that spot as good. Also, Lena do care about Cath on friendly route and is crazy about her on love route. So if she can make Cath's life slightly easier she would not say she does not care about planning. On top of that, after Cath fell into a pit where she fought a dragon, she said you are the commander, lead which made me believe she'd like to be more involve in decisions that may put Cath in danger. So, at least on love path, she has lots of reasons to be part of decision making. Still though, that could be explainable by Cath asking her opinion at night, so she could have more time scouting in the daytime by not making her official war council member but as an advisor. So all in all, either way works for her. What I questioned though, those Alarian&Edhelian thing was directly involves her, also her area of expertise and Lena not being involved of it, which is not a single day event, does not make sense at all. I, at least expected a small scene where she comments on it.

TLDR: I desperately need more Lena content, please gib moar.

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As in no downside on all 3 options or no upside on all 3 options?

I mean, there will be consequences to each of the scenes, but I belive the story gives you enough about the Edhelians and Alarians for you to form a proper opinion of what they're like and what you can expect going forward. I don't like commenting too much on matters of narrative since I think once I wrote something it's the readers right to interpret my work in any way they desire, even if it's different from my original intention.

As for the council, it's more of an engine and workload issue. I generally can't have more than fours characters on the screen without the composition looking all fucked, so I limited the council to three characters plus Catherine. I originally wanted players to choose their council but then I had to work with variants of three characters which just made it impossible. So I kinda had to choose, either I made the player able to select their council and had very few and generic scenes, or I selected them myself and could write the council scenes like I envisioned them. That being said. The council is made up of a troop commander, Marius, a spellcaster commander, Victor, and a logistics officer, Seralli. I debated a fair bit about who should occupy each of these roles. Marius was an obvious choice, and in matters of magic Victor is only second to Catherine. The third position however could have easily gone to Amelie, or even Khai. In the end I decided that Seralli growing up in a fort that holds back the horrors of the Gates of Kadesh and being raised to be a military commander from early age would give her an edge over the other options.

That being said, a few scenes with all of the love interestes is long overdue. I'll see what I can manage.

 

[justin.case]

As for the council, it's more of an engine and workload issue. I generally can't have more than fours characters on the screen without the composition looking all fucked, so I limited the council to three characters plus Catherine. I originally wanted players to choose their council but then I had to work with variants of three characters which just made it impossible. So I kinda had to choose, either I made the player able to select their council and had very few and generic scenes, or I selected them myself and could write the council scenes like I envisioned them. That being said. The council is made up of a troop commander, Marius, a spellcaster commander, Victor, and a logistics officer, Seralli. I debated a fair bit about who should occupy each of these roles. Marius was an obvious choice, and in matters of magic Victor is only second to Catherine. The third position however could have easily gone to Amelie, or even Khai. In the end I decided that Seralli growing up in a fort that holds back the horrors of the Gates of Kadesh and being raised to be a military commander from early age would give her an edge over the other options.

That totally makes sense. I see Marius as second in command which is probably right. Tbh, I am surprised to see Seralli's position was questioned being on war council is basically her entire purpose on the campaign and Victor being head of medics/spellcaster he is an also obvious choice. So, none of them should be excluded either. I thought Lena as spymaster of the campaign, scout leader, also good political advisor, on top of those having millennia of experience alter ego should grant her a spot too. Though, if it's an engine issue, then I am happy as it is. Also, now I realize the bigger danger of letting me as a player to choose. I'd probably stay undecisive of it and feel like I was being unfair to any of the characters. Now to think about it, I think we can find good points for any of the companion being on the council. Like Elly is being native is so huge of a factor, which is used several times. Should not it grant her a seat? So, thanks for choosing for us.

I mean, there will be consequences to each of the scenes, but I belive the story gives you enough about the Edhelians and Alarians for you to form a proper opinion of what they're like and what you can expect going forward. I don't like commenting too much on matters of narrative since I think once I wrote something it's the readers right to interpret my work in any way they desire, even if it's different from my original intention.

I have, I think Cath should conquer both of them and subdue them, then by using their power crush Jean's father. So she can challenge the Emperor. Jokes aside, I'd love to see both of the paths anyway. I asked because usually these choices have equal opportunities while this time, I can't see the Edhelian side. Alarians offer much needed food immediately, then siege equipment later on, also they do provide Azorites as capable as Edhelian ones but not as wildcard because they are tamed. In exchange, they only ask Cath being peace mediatory for ongoing war, as I understood. Naval superiority of Alarians is important factor too, not only for the immediate battle but also for future endeavors. Edhelians can't offer any of these. They are going on a raid, which will have consequences to Cath, even then it's not exact when they will recieve provision. They did not mention help to siege on their path, only providing Azorite fighters. So I assumed they are not going to help on bombardment which is the greatest challenge as of now. As for the fighter, Alarians offer them too but I am guessing Edhelians would be better fighters while staying unruly. They threatened Cath and Lena. So, they can backstab Cath in a moment of weakness. They ask lands, which is something Cath can't offer because all land belongs to Emperor. They also mentioned they are intended to keep their ways on the new land they'd receive, which is a huge blow to keep internal peace. They are only equal on not being their ruling party of their countries and in any other way, Alarians' offer is much more better. So, like I said what am I missing on Edhelian side? Both side are sneaky and blind trust in them would be wrong but on equal ground, it would be crazy not to choose Alarians. Is negotiating peace such a huge ask, that they had to offer bigger prize? As far as I am aware, Emperor also not willing to keep on fighting, while can't find a peace option other than total domination. Am I missing some political aspect of it?

That being said, a few scenes with all of the love interestes is long overdue. I'll see what I can manage.

Tbh, main story is so intriguing I don't feel lacking on these but still, if I am getting more Lena scenes, then

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

I have, I think Cath should conquer both of them and subdue them, then by using their power crush Jean's father. So she can challenge the Emperor. Jokes aside, I'd love to see both of the paths anyway. I asked because usually these choices have equal opportunities while this time, I can't see the Edhelian side. Alarians offer much needed food immediately, then siege equipment later on, also they do provide Azorites as capable as Edhelian ones but not as wildcard because they are tamed. In exchange, they only ask Cath being peace mediatory for ongoing war, as I understood. Naval superiority of Alarians is important factor too, not only for the immediate battle but also for future endeavors. Edhelians can't offer any of these. They are going on a raid, which will have consequences to Cath, even then it's not exact when they will recieve provision. They did not mention help to siege on their path, only providing Azorite fighters. So I assumed they are not going to help on bombardment which is the greatest challenge as of now. As for the fighter, Alarians offer them too but I am guessing Edhelians would be better fighters while staying unruly. They threatened Cath and Lena. So, they can backstab Cath in a moment of weakness. They ask lands, which is something Cath can't offer because all land belongs to Emperor. They also mentioned they are intended to keep their ways on the new land they'd receive, which is a huge blow to keep internal peace. They are only equal on not being their ruling party of their countries and in any other way, Alarians' offer is much more better. So, like I said what am I missing on Edhelian side? Both side are sneaky and blind trust in them would be wrong but on equal ground, it would be crazy not to choose Alarians. Is negotiating peace such a huge ask, that they had to offer bigger prize? As far as I am aware, Emperor also not willing to keep on fighting, while can't find a peace option other than total domination. Am I missing some political aspect of it?

Well first of all, there's a reason Edhelia is in the process of collapsing while Alaria can challenge the most powerful nation in the world to a 1v1. That is reflected in the portrayal of the two options. But I would argue, and don't take my word as gospel here, that Alaria is going to be an ally in the future, while Edhelia could become a vassal of either the Empire or Valante under Catherine's leadership. You should also consider that, while Catherine is very open minded, not everyone in the Empire is keen to work with the Alarians given their recent history.

 

[justin.case]

Well first of all, there's a reason Edhelia is in the process of collapsing while Alaria can challenge the most powerful nation in the world to a 1v1. That is reflected in the portrayal of the two options. But I would argue, and don't take my word as gospel here, that Alaria is going to be an ally in the future, while Edhelia could become a vassal of either the Empire or Valante under Catherine's leadership. You should also consider that, while Catherine is very open minded, not everyone in the Empire is keen to work with the Alarians given their recent history.

Looks like I am not missing anything then. It's best they can offer and Alarians offering more because negotiating peace politically costly. Though, a coup and peace treaty does not seem unlikely on Alarian front. Also, I started to wonder if Lena's royal lineage would come into play when it comes to vassalage of Edhelia. Afaik, she is exiled princess of a dynasty. So she may claim the throne by force and by lineage as her birthright. Though, I don't remember much how the Edhelia politics works. It would be so cool Lena dropping in main Arena, challenging everyone for the Throne.

Btw, I started to think best course of action for Cath is outright rebellion when the time comes. Empire basically offer no help to the campaign, seems like Emperor throw her and her company to the meat grinder to gain some time. I would not be so surprised that Emperor is also not in favor Catherine's meteoric rise as a peasant she is. If she is somehow successful, then send her to suppress the rebellion, if she is not successful, you get rid of a political opponent while gaining much needed time on Northern front. Seems like we'll have that option, am I wrong? After the impromptu coronation, Cath can lean towards more autonomy and Victor was supportive while Marius is against the idea. So, if I did not get it wrong, we'll either have a choice to rebel against the Empire or Cath will rebel without even choosing.

I don't see Emperor accepting Cath becoming the Queen of the Valante. Even if she becomes one, I don't think others would choose her as the Empress. No one would want someone as strong as Cath becoming Empress, also she is born peasant it's another obstacle, also also I get the feeling Noramandian Kings becoming Emperors is a tradition I could be wrong on that though. So, no chance she is becoming Empress on proper road. Also, I am wondering if you guys get the elected Emperor idea from HRE.

Anyways, thanks for the explanation. I suppose we'll wait and see what will be next for our beloved White Flower.

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

Looks like I am not missing anything then. It's best they can offer and Alarians offering more because negotiating peace politically costly. Though, a coup and peace treaty does not seem unlikely on Alarian front. Also, I started to wonder if Lena's royal lineage would come into play when it comes to vassalage of Edhelia. Afaik, she is exiled princess of a dynasty. So she may claim the throne by force and by lineage as her birthright. Though, I don't remember much how the Edhelia politics works. It would be so cool Lena dropping in main Arena, challenging everyone for the Throne.

Btw, I started to think best course of action for Cath is outright rebellion when the time comes. Empire basically offer no help to the campaign, seems like Emperor throw her and her company to the meat grinder to gain some time. I would not be so surprised that Emperor is also not in favor Catherine's meteoric rise as a peasant she is. If she is somehow successful, then send her to suppress the rebellion, if she is not successful, you get rid of a political opponent while gaining much needed time on Northern front. Seems like we'll have that option, am I wrong? After the impromptu coronation, Cath can lean towards more autonomy and Victor was supportive while Marius is against the idea. So, if I did not get it wrong, we'll either have a choice to rebel against the Empire or Cath will rebel without even choosing.

I don't see Emperor accepting Cath becoming the Queen of the Valante. Even if she becomes one, I don't think others would choose her as the Empress. No one would want someone as strong as Cath becoming Empress, also she is born peasant it's another obstacle, also also I get the feeling Noramandian Kings becoming Emperors is a tradition I could be wrong on that though. So, no chance she is becoming Empress on proper road. Also, I am wondering if you guys get the elected Emperor idea from HRE.

Anyways, thanks for the explanation. I suppose we'll wait and see what will be next for our beloved White Flower.

Indeed. I used the HRE as an inspiration for the Empire. As for the rest. We'll have to wait and see, won't we?

 

[justin.case]

Indeed. I used the HRE as an inspiration for the Empire. As for the rest. We'll have to wait and see, won't we?

I can't wait. Thanks for a great game.

 

[anonwk3]

Mine too! I enjoy it when the walking red flag actually has a sweet romance route.

Necrobunny is part of the spidercat lady fan club yay!

 

[CboyC95]

A part of me miss the old art for Catherine, so I don't understand why the sudden change.

 

[NecroBunnyStudios]

A part of me miss the old art for Catherine, so I don't understand why the sudden change.

We wanted to add layers to her clothing to allow for more costumization, and Banshee wanted to redo Catherine's sprite because she was not happy with it.