Play...the...darn...game!

[Ignatz]

The "This generation" argument is always so lazy.

We have plenty of users here who might not speak English as their first language. That can make getting through a game rather hard. Some people might not have the time to devote to sitting for several hours to figure out how to get X ending or Y scene. Some people might not have the computer literacy to navigate a game as easily.

Do I agree it can clutter up threads? Yes

Do I agree its a problem? No, We cater to all sorts of people here and some people have different needs.

I make no issue with language and communication difficulties. Those are as real as any type of physical handicap.

The distinction make, and that which causes me to make an extant thread, is the casual ask of information easily available in the game simply by playing the game. Choices about which path is best and the like are not what I'm referring to.

And tolerance is something I preach and do my utmost to practice. Though, I must admit, I am not above snark.

 

[Ignatz]

0.1 full save plz

Working on it. Right after your previous request for a thread header of futas and traps.

 

[OhWee]

These days, I mainly just extract the CG and look at the pretty pictures. Life is too short to (re)play every game, and I have other (non porn) games that are eating up my free time at the moment. If I really care about the dialogue in a scene (if it's RenPy), I can just open up script.rpy and search for a particular image, and read the dialogue for that scene. Not as elegant, but at least I don't have to spend hours of my life re-playing the game AGAIN ('cuz some developer broke older saves), just to read the dialogue for one scene.

So, no, I am not playing the damn game.

I do still play erotic games, I just despise RE-PLAYING old scenes over and over just to see some variation (when following the updates as they come out). Looking at the CG is faster.

This is where save points at some particular point in a story are nice to have. Then I can just pick up the story from there without replaying the entire game, AGAIN!

 

[Ignatz]

But, if you're extracting the CG, then you're also not the one posting the game requests in the thread, therefore, you can ignore my "play the damn game" request and we're both happier by the decision!

 

[Gomly1980]

I don't mind the questions it's the tone and frequency of them that grinds on me.

No please, no thankyou just "walkthrough?" like we owe them it.

Nevermind that it takes us several hours to do those walkthroughs during which time we're not enjoying much as we have to keep stopping to type and check options we wouldn't normally pick ourselves.

No, i'll waste hours in my day so some lazy prick can come along and demand something with no manners so they don't have to waste their time. They can't be bothered to use manners so I can't be bothered to respond to them.

Then you get some other numpty 2 posts later ask for the same thing because scrolling is hard.

Best response is "if you think i'm reading through 60+ pages to find an answer think again" like the search function doesn't exist.

 

[Emperor_Arcturus]

The only time I'll do save requests is when a game is really long and it's update removes the ability to load up old saves. Best example is My New Life, I really dislike all the grind in that game so to avoid it I find it best to just pick up a save at a certain point. However even then I would still PREFER to run through the game myself, much more rewarding that way. But if the grind is particularly bad, yeah I'll just take a save.

 

[thecardinal]

I've been trying to find a way to get around the whole 'save point' thing as a developer. It only works because my game is a visual novel, but on start there is an 'episode select' where you can jump to an episode and then select what choices you made in a previous game. It's a little tedious, but I guess better than a complete run through of the whole game.

 

[Thrownaway13]

I make no issue with language and communication difficulties. Those are as real as any type of physical handicap.

The distinction make, and that which causes me to make an extant thread, is the casual ask of information easily available in the game simply by playing the game. Choices about which path is best and the like are not what I'm referring to.

And tolerance is something I preach and do my utmost to practice. Though, I must admit, I am not above snark.

Yeah I don't think your OP was insensitive to any issue in particular. I was more addressing an argument that I thought was kind of short sighted considering the massive age range of users here.


I can understand your frustration though.

Now think about having to moderate through all of those post lol

 

[El bacca Del Chew]

The "This generation" argument is always so lazy.

Thank you

We have plenty of users here who might not speak English as their first language. That can make getting through a game rather hard

So the walkthrought and saves are the solution.

Some people might not have the time to devote to sitting for several hours to figure out how to get X ending or Y scene.

Just 5mns to read previous posts, perhaps?

We cater to all sorts of people here and some people have different needs.

True !

I wish not to pick a fight here, and i might be old and grumpy but the generation thingy is a thing. The old guys are just jerks aint an argument too. But you know, it does not really matter and as i have zero grudge here, we gonna agree to disagree and gladly move on, btw i take the opportunity to thank you for the uploads you made.
Farewell sir and best regards.

 

[Thickgravy49]

A fair and reasoned response. And, I'd like to think I can distinguish between the genuine and needful or the lazy/uninterested.

Plus, I try to stay away from those "bad" games, so I can only imagine what those forums must seem like.

Absolutely, my friend. You're often the voice of reasoned debate & calmness in a sea of utter carnage.

 

[Ignatz]

Don't let Tommybuns hear you say that. He'll bring up my Discord persona.

 

[NandabaCanti]

We have plenty of users here who might not speak English as their first language. That can make getting through a game rather hard.

This was actually my first thought on it as well. There could be a few people out there who just google translated those requests to English to post and wait to see if anyone responds with a file attachment. Though my second thought was the obvious "lazy teens" which I feel is likely just as valid if not more so in many cases. I've spent enough time subscribed to a few help threads on Steam to know how few fucks a lot of English literate gamers give for other people's time when they'll go in and ask the same shit for the thousandth time without the thought of taking two seconds to search for their answer ever crossing their mind.

 

[Catwashere]

I agree with most of what you said but sometimes some people do spend minutes and even longer trying to find something like a password or sometimes people are legit stuck someplace an need help.
The thing that makes me laugh is when it is for games that do not need walkthroughs or need saves. Some people ask for a save on a game that is like 20 minutes long or even shorter an i'm like really just play the game.
Now a game like Roundscape i understand needing help with.

 

[gunderson]

Why begrudge somebody a quick jerk? You don't want to provide a savegame or walkthrough, you don't have to. Randoms on the forum don't have any power over you.

And you'll never fix them all. Every day a new fledgling perv finds this forum and wants all 'dem tiddies right now. So make peace with the fact that until mass sterilization happens, there will always be some moron wandering into the Internet who doesn't give a shit that manners are nice.

 

[kiteares]

TL;DR - teach a man to fish....

I dunno man, why do I always picture you making the same face as your profile going, "bruhhhh".

I always thought that was his cum face....

My game right now is a very basic VN with one significant choice at the end of the current update. As of right now it's just click and read. Someone in the thread asked for a walkthrough. okerFace:

This and V0.1 [demo] - walkthrough, save?
Asking is one thing, being stupid about it is another. I have responded to people that it's linear and no walkthrough is needed only for the very next post to be a request for a walkthrough.

Everything now generation have no time to waste to search (look at thread, can't even read 2 posts previous theirs), they just need to consume at massive proportion....now i want it now and give it to me, this is internet i can have everything in a blink of an eye.

These days, I mainly just extract the CG and look at the pretty pictures.

That's another one (obviously not you as you do your own), the requests for CG - read you download it, extract the CG and then upload them for me.

Absolutely, my friend. You're often the voice of reasoned debate & calmness in a sea of utter carnage.

HA!! He's like a duck, all calm and reasoned on the surface, but stirring like mad below the surface
MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why begrudge somebody a quick jerk? You don't want to provide a savegame or walkthrough, you don't have to. Randoms on the forum don't have any power over you.

Because it gives power over them?
OR better still, not begrudging anyone anything, just don't expect me to do all the work for them.

And you'll never fix them all. Every day a new fledgling perv finds this forum and wants all 'dem tiddies right now. So make peace with the fact that until mass sterilization happens, there will always be some moron wandering into the Internet who doesn't give a shit that manners are nice.

Which is one of things I look at - post count/member since. I know I'm a bit of whore, but if you've posted in 3 figures, you should know some basics like how to search, how to use spoilers, what the site etiquette is.
I don't give a flying damn who you are or where you're from there is no excuse to forget at least a please or thank you (or a like). On that basis if you don't give a shit about manners, don't expect me to respond to you.
Then there is expectation and laziness. Expectation that someone do it for you and laziness to either do it yourself or even look through for an answer.
A number of people here will have seen my response to some requests and I know I come across as snarky at times, I think it's better to give people information on how to get answers for themselves.
As a rule of thumb I don't post saves, no comeback on the name I've chosen or the fiddles I've done, however occasionally you get screwed by your hardware so if a regular in a thread were to ask I may do it.
Anyway waffled on too long.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

I just want GAZ in all games and i'll play it...

But seriously and this is just my feeling. I don't like games with multiple path to choose from where you play one path, scroll mouse wheel up and the play the the other paths, rinse and repeat. I also don't like translating a game as i feel text does a lot for what the dev is trying to say in a game and if the message comes across obscured then it's too much work and deviates from the story.
Lastly and it's nitpicking, why use a walk through for a game, really when you're suppose to play and discover not read a manual how to operate.

Like i said, just my feeling.

 

[clades]

• Most porn games have shit or boring gameplay. Not everyone wants to slog through mechanics that were surpassed by NES games decades ago.
• Porn game developers have this tendency to pad out games with lots of boring linear content that isn't interesting to skim, let alone play through, and many games tend to front-load the most boring content.
• There are very few games released in a finished state. Most drip feed incremental content updates over months or years. And saves are constantly broken, so people have to replay through content they've played through before.
• People are sick of replaying through content and want to be able to skip things as easily as possible.
• Game developers sometimes lock out content based on decisions made early into a game, and people want to avoid that problem when playing through a game that is unfinished, and likely uninteresting to play in general.
• Combining the above into the popularity of starting porn games only to abandon them once the hard part of development starts (the churn of actually creating content) means that people get sick of putting hours into unknown, unfinished games that are likely to never be finished. They want to get the highlights quickly so they can get out and come back later in the unlikely event the game is ever finished.
• People just want to get to the porn. They don't want to spend hours digging through an amateur (I mean that literally, not as an insult) game just to get to a handful of sex scenes.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

It's sad really, they might never get to find out that the goodies are more enjoyable with some anticipation and suspense, which a good game attempts to do if you just give it the time and attention.

 

[thecardinal]

• Most porn games have shit or boring gameplay. Not everyone wants to slog through mechanics that were surpassed by NES games decades ago.
• Porn game developers have this tendency to pad out games with lots of boring linear content that isn't interesting to skim, let alone play through, and many games tend to front-load the most boring content.
• There are very few games released in a finished state. Most drip feed incremental content updates over months or years. And saves are constantly broken, so people have to replay through content they've played through before.
• People are sick of replaying through content and want to be able to skip things as easily as possible.
• Game developers sometimes lock out content based on decisions made early into a game, and people want to avoid that problem when playing through a game that is unfinished, and likely uninteresting to play in general.
• Combining the above into the popularity of starting porn games only to abandon them once the hard part of development starts (the churn of actually creating content) means that people get sick of putting hours into unknown, unfinished games that are likely to never be finished. They want to get the highlights quickly so they can get out and come back later in the unlikely event the game is ever finished.
• People just want to get to the porn. They don't want to spend hours digging through an amateur (I mean that literally, not as an insult) game just to get to a handful of sex scenes.

So a game with professional mechanics, well-written, in a finished state, no scenes can be locked out by choices you make, with lots of porn sprinkles throughout so you don't get bored with buildup.

I should have something out by April, and I can quit my job, hire a writer, hire a coder, and live off the $40 per month budget.

 

[clades]

I should have something out by April, and I can quit my job, hire a writer, hire a coder, and live off the $40 per month budget.

You're being sarcastic, but I'd say this is a fairly realistic description of the current state of adult game development from a high level.

The thread is about why people ask for saves or walkthroughs and I was just explaining some of the reasoning where those requests come from. It would be great if those reasons didn't reflect reality, I would be much happier if that were true.