Ren'Py Innocence or Money [S2 E2] [MarcialART]

[avdoe88]

I know the author won't see this, but I gotta get some things out to see if anyone agrees at all, and maybe can explain to me the though process I do not understand...

I reeeally enjoyed season 1. But then coming to season 2 I am buffled by several things:

My Jennifer refused all the advances from the creep Fred in season 1. Not because I stick to Innocence path, no no. All I want in fact is to dump Mike and finally get to "expand the services" at massage center or else. Possibility of becoming an escort is primary reason I got interested in this game. She even sucked (season 1) and fucked (season 2) the boss at the coffee shop, because the situation was overwhelmingly arousing and felt right to "let go" those times. I just happen to really dislike Fred character. I don't want to give him anything. And YET, out of nowhere I gotta talk to him on on Friday evening and Jen casually just decides to go to the club without any input from me. Then the situation just escalates out of the blue. Yes you get to "stop it" when home, but I mean what the hell? Why is it specifically vaginal penetration that is considered cheating / stepping over, but sucking each other's faces and getting fingered is fine. This just feels bizarre, forced and random considering my history with the guy. Why is this character so meticulously forced on me, is he a self insert of the author?

Furthermore I somehow now have options to get fingered by him in the office like "last time", which is a bit odd, again considering I refused everything and did the detailed questionnaire.

Another thing that reaaally feels odd is how reluctant and slow Jennifer is to "expand her services". How is THIS the line she's unwilling to cross, thinking of Mike, while being a fuckdoll for an old man at the coffee shop. Maybe my logic doesn't logic, but for me giving handjobs and blowjobs for actual money seems waaaay more enticing and logical than allowing the boss to fuck you, while still having to work and getting $35 for the pleasure. Especially considering there's barely enough money to cover rent. In general it seems the game refuses to aknowledge coffee shop events at all, and this creates an odd dissonance between what's going on at different places.

I might be wrong, the Fred inicident on Friday evening is as far as I got so far, but at this point with all of these considered it seems to be "all or nothing" regarding Jennifers path? There's no much in between really. Is this how these games go? Is eventually fucking Fred unavoidable unless I go full innocence? Because at this point it starts to look like it.

And finally, damn the music is trash in season 2 compared to season 1. I actually even enjoyed the silly music in season 1. It was unintrusive and fun in the background. But this? Daaamn it's bad. REALLY really bad. Time to mute and put my own music in the background.

 

[avdoe88]

I would like to be able to use the pills that are close to the computer? or even be able to buy new items or outfits on the purchasing platform?

Changing outfits as you wish is not possible with a game like this. All the scenes are rendered in 3D in their entirety. Different outfits that are up to player to pick mean every single image of every scene where character appears would need to have several versions of it. Probably not something author would want to spend time on. Maybe I'm wrong and there are clever "tricks" to it, but VN is a clickable slideshow. If this was a 2D style VN, yes, you can have a background and a foreground (characters). Characters could have several outfits to them. This is a 3D rendered VN, meaning there's only background.

 

[wildride69]

Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran, don't waste your time
Made me frustrated af
The dev tries his best but the game just doesn't hit

Also this game, the dev, and the fanbase of this game feels like people coming into a whole new territory like a 10-12 year old learning new cuss words and then using it every chance to look cool

May you find a title more fitting to your refined porno tastes. May we all one day achieve a veteran porn palate as distinct as yours, you will be missed.

 

[xert13]

Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran, don't waste your time
Made me frustrated af
The dev tries his best but the game just doesn't hit

Also this game, the dev, and the fanbase of this game feels like people coming into a whole new territory like a 10-12 year old learning new cuss words and then using it every chance to look cool

How to demonstrate you are an ass without saying you are an ass...

 

[WhiteSwan1916]

(....)

I understand where you are coming from. I play a mildly corrupted Jennifer, 915/1000 Innocence, essentially with a HOT GUYS only policy. No creeps, so that means positively no Fred (YUCK) whom I find extremely repulsive, and not the old coffee shop guy. The problem is that good looking guys are very rare in the game, yet. As of now there is only very limited action in the massage parlor and at the photoshoots. I hope that this will be expanded upon in future updates.

I agree that Jennifer's actions towards Fred feel railroaded at times and do not respect prior choices if you reject him constantly.

Still my overall outlook on the game is positive. The FMC is super attractive, and I like the setup. I am also curious as to what the story holds with the boyfriend's family.

 

[Mak5025]

Whether or not the game is bad is entirely a matter of personal opinion.
That said, I too feel season 2 is underwhelming because of the choices made in the development. Why rely on creeps like Fred and Bruce to drive the corruption of Jennifer forward when you can bring back the lovely sister to create mischief and land them both into trouble? Why do we have to endure the revolting receptionist at the massage centre? Why spend time developing the sports centre characters and -stories when they are just a distraction from the main?
There's a lot of room for improvement here...

 

[wildride69]

Whether or not the game is bad is entirely a matter of personal opinion.
That said, I too feel season 2 is underwhelming because of the choices made in the development. Why rely on creeps like Fred and Bruce to drive the corruption of Jennifer forward when you can bring back the lovely sister to create mischief and land them both into trouble? Why do we have to endure the revolting receptionist at the massage centre? Why spend time developing the sports centre characters and -stories when they are just a distraction from the main?
There's a lot of room for improvement here...

Why? It's fun that's why. The Receptionist can be a lot of fun and hopefully her arc leads somewhere interesting. The Sports center characters so far are boring as fuck and uninteresting in their current story arc. Creeps like Fred and Bruce are so damn much fun and I predict most of us here are enjoying their content. Who is supposed to drive Jennifer's corruption a knight in shining armor that looks fabulous?

The game is surprisingly good after it's molasses slow start. However if it's not too your taste drop your subscription on Patreon until it meets your level of acceptance or complain on Patreon. Unless of course you are not subscribed at all with no intention to support the work even if the dev followed all of your suggestions.

There are ZERO titles that click with EVERYONE, if this title doesn't click for you they're are thousands of other titles on this site.

To come into a thread that people are enjoying and boldly state " Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran" makes you look like a Dbag, simple as that. If season 2 is not to your taste but you like the game then take a break and try again in a few updates to see if the story has gone in a direction you like.

 

[avdoe88]

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Glad to see someone be on the same page on this. Fred is a big turn off. For me coffee shop chaos somehow was funny enough and even a bit arousing that I just went with it. But Fred, as you said it, YUCK... and it feels soo frustrating being forced to be sucking his face and getting fingered because the author strongly decided to railroad this character no matter what. Like refusing the act of penetration is somehow supposed to be "having a choice" at this point, when all the YACKiness has already happened.

I too have a positive overall look at the game. I really did enjoy season one. But so far the more I play season 2, the colder I get towards it. Hope it will improve from here! This is my second ever adult game after Forbidden Fantasy, which I discovered accidentally because of a youtuber let's player doing a funny valentine's day special. I feel like after I play till the end of currently available episodes, I will be moving on and probably won't be back until it's finished or abandoned years later.

My main kink is escorting and that's what brought me here immediately after discovering these games through Forbidden Fantasy. I need to see what's out there, expand my horizons, see what's possible and so on.

 

[avdoe88]

Why? It's fun that's why. The Receptionist can be a lot of fun and hopefully her arc leads somewhere interesting. The Sports center characters so far are boring as fuck and uninteresting in their current story arc. Creeps like Fred and Bruce are so damn much fun and I predict most of us here are enjoying their content. Who is supposed to drive Jennifer's corruption a knight in shining armor that looks fabulous?

The game is surprisingly good after it's molasses slow start. However if it's not too your taste drop your subscription on Patreon until it meets your level of acceptance or complain on Patreon. Unless of course you are not subscribed at all with no intention to support the work even if the dev followed all of your suggestions.

There are ZERO titles that click with EVERYONE, if this title doesn't click for you they're are thousands of other titles on this site.

To come into a thread that people are enjoying and boldly state " Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran" makes you look like a Dbag, simple as that. If season 2 is not to your taste but you like the game then take a break and try again in a few updates to see if the story has gone in a direction you like.

A: You seem to have mixed the person you are replying to

B: WTF? No discussion allowed here? No criticism of any sort, only praise? What it this? The comment you quoted was so mild and constructive too...

 

[wildride69]

A: You seem to have mixed the person you are replying to

B: WTF? No discussion allowed here? No criticism of any sort, only praise? What it this? The comment you quoted was so mild and constructive too...

If that fairly tame response answering his question to "Why?" offends you, you may not have a good time on a discussion forum. Who said only praise?

 

[Mak5025]

If that fairly tame response answering his question to "Why?" offends you, you may not have a good time on a discussion forum. Who said only praise?

You HAVE got me mixed up with someone else - I never claimed to be the "porn game veteran". I state what I don't like and what I'd do differently. If others are having a blast playing this, perfect. Each to his own.

 

[avdoe88]

If that fairly tame response answering his question to "Why?" offends you, you may not have a good time on a discussion forum. Who said only praise?

It doesn't offend me one bit, don't worry. Nor there is anything wrong with your "why" view on the game and creeps. To each their own. The hostility of it surprises me. You're basically saying "go away or shut up" with the "go Patreon to complain, drop your subscription" - part. implying this kind of conversation is not welcome here, hence giving me the impression that only praise is welcome. Perhaps it was not intentional

 

[HikBenAkk]

Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran, don't waste your time

Made me frustrated af

The dev tries his best but the game just doesn't hit

Also this game, the dev, and the fanbase of this game feels like people coming into a whole new territory like a 10-12 year old learning new cuss words and then using it every chance to look cool

Hi Forest Fire,

Really ?
You really see yourself legit to tell what game is worth it is for everyone and what game is not (and not be played) ?

If you think you can tell for everyone what game is NOT worth playing, much to learn you still have in your life... Really...
Just food for thought, you do what you want with this piece of advice

[...]
why does this comment section feels like full of bots just talking good of game while being all cheerful and excited when the game is just bad, are you all paid by the dev to just create a positive tone around here or the core fanbase of this game is total fucktarded

Good question...
Usually, with a bit of wisdom, when many people disagree with you, the right approach is to first see if YOU are not mistaken somewhere...
Am I wrong ?

I like this game a lot... what am I then ? A fucktarded ?
Damn, I did not know... oO
Thank you very much, I like to laugh

Btw, could you please give us, poor fucktarded (I did not know this word, I like it ), some suggestions of good corruption games ? A veteran like you must know many masterpieces to suggest. I am curious... I like innocent virgin girls to corrupt (no rape), thank you in advance...

Best regards.

 

[HikBenAkk]

Whether or not the game is bad is entirely a matter of personal opinion.
That said, I too feel season 2 is underwhelming because of the choices made in the development. Why rely on creeps like Fred and Bruce to drive the corruption of Jennifer forward when you can bring back the lovely sister to create mischief and land them both into trouble? Why do we have to endure the revolting receptionist at the massage centre? Why spend time developing the sports centre characters and -stories when they are just a distraction from the main?
There's a lot of room for improvement here...

Hi Mak5025 ,

Why rely on creeps ?
The good question is why NOT do it...

The plot of the game is obviously MC to NOT be a slut at the beginning and become one. Therefore, the corruption cannot come from her but from people she meets in this rotten city. That is a storyline choice only the dev can make. We can only decide if we like or not.
I would have liked to have the little sister to stay with MC and be a succubus who lures her big sister all the time into more depravation... BUT the dev made another choice... Not being what we may have liked does not make it a bad choice...

The storytelling, I mean the way the dev develops his side characters, can be bad if it is not accurate enough to HIS storyline/plot.

And about the Gym content, I have another opinion : we do not know yet where the dev wants to go with that content. The dev introduced another couple of young people there like MC and her bf... I see them to be alike with MC and her bf in a certain way... It is intriguing... Like foreshadowing what may happen to MC... It makes this content interesting story wise for me... And the redhead girl from the gym is cute enough to make me like her sexual content...

Best regards.

 

[xert13]

Why? It's fun that's why. The Receptionist can be a lot of fun and hopefully her arc leads somewhere interesting. The Sports center characters so far are boring as fuck and uninteresting in their current story arc. Creeps like Fred and Bruce are so damn much fun and I predict most of us here are enjoying their content. Who is supposed to drive Jennifer's corruption a knight in shining armor that looks fabulous?

The game is surprisingly good after it's molasses slow start. However if it's not too your taste drop your subscription on Patreon until it meets your level of acceptance or complain on Patreon. Unless of course you are not subscribed at all with no intention to support the work even if the dev followed all of your suggestions.

There are ZERO titles that click with EVERYONE, if this title doesn't click for you they're are thousands of other titles on this site.

To come into a thread that people are enjoying and boldly state " Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran" makes you look like a Dbag, simple as that. If season 2 is not to your taste but you like the game then take a break and try again in a few updates to see if the story has gone in a direction you like.

Agreed. I don’t mind the characters and I want to see the receptionist get railed for being such a bitch. It is all subjective, of course, and people can have their opinions. Having a go at patrons, however, is a real douche move.

 

[xert13]

Hi Mak5025 ,

Why rely on creeps ?
The good question is why NOT do it...

The plot of the game is obviously MC to NOT be a slut at the beginning and become one. Therefore, the corruption cannot come from her but from people she meets in this rotten city. That is a storyline choice only the dev can make. We can only decide if we like or not.
I would have liked to have the little sister to stay with MC and be a succubus who lures her big sister all the time into more depravation... BUT the dev made another choice... Not being what we may have liked does not make it a bad choice...

The storytelling, I mean the way the dev develops his side characters, can be bad if it is not accurate enough to HIS storyline/plot.

And about the Gym content, I have another opinion : we do not know yet where the dev wants to go with that content. The dev introduced another couple of young people there like MC and her bf... I see them to be alike with MC and her bf in a certain way... It is intriguing... Like foreshadowing what may happen to MC... It makes this content interesting story wise for me... And the redhead girl from the gym is cute enough to make me like her sexual content...

Best regards.

I thought the red head at the gym jumped into it a bit to quick. I liked the scene, but was hoping for her to be subject to more seduction and manipulation. Yet, if that took place others would complain that the development was to slow. Devs really can’t win no matter what they do.

 

[wildride69]

It doesn't offend me one bit, don't worry. Nor there is anything wrong with your "why" view on the game and creeps. To each their own. The hostility of it surprises me. You're basically saying "go away or shut up" with the "go Patreon to complain, drop your subscription" - part. implying this kind of conversation is not welcome here, hence giving me the impression that only praise is welcome. Perhaps it was not intentional

(Directly game related and on Topic, zero attacks to any users.)

That's not hostility, In my time on F95 I have toned down my responses greatly to avoid being overly hostile. That was...DIRECT, is the way I personally would put it.

I said...
"Why? It's fun that's why. The Receptionist can be a lot of fun and hopefully her arc leads somewhere interesting. The Sports center characters so far are boring as fuck and uninteresting in their current story arc. Creeps like Fred and Bruce are so damn much fun and I predict most of us here are enjoying their content. Who is supposed to drive Jennifer's corruption a knight in shining armor that looks fabulous?"

I explained "WHY" to emphasize a lot of people enjoy this type of content as is, Blackmail, Old Guys, Ugly Guys, Corruption, Beast or any form of socially unacceptable things you would never do in real life. I really hate the receptionist but that also what makes her fun, she is an obstacle that needs to be overcome eventually.

I then said...
"The game is surprisingly good after it's molasses slow start. However if it's not too your taste drop your subscription on Patreon until it meets your level of acceptance or complain on Patreon. Unless of course you are not subscribed at all with no intention to support the work even if the dev followed all of your suggestions.

There are ZERO titles that click with EVERYONE, if this title doesn't click for you they're are thousands of other titles on this site."

That was me explaining not everyone will like all titles, if a user felt strongly enough the best place for them to voice their opinion for change is on Patreon. Most Devs don't visit here and they would be silly to follow advice from the thieves guild over their paying subs.

Part of my last statement was not directly related to anyone and was just said in general as attacking other users in the forums is a NONO.

I said...
" To come into a thread that people are enjoying and boldly state " Game is really really meh according to me a porn games veteran" makes you look like a Dbag, simple as that. If season 2 is not to your taste but you like the game then take a break and try again in a few updates to see if the story has gone in a direction you like."

It stands to reason if you are not enjoying a title but hope other paths you may enjoy are activated, then wait a few updates and see if the path you want is active when you return.

The other part was to any general users stupid enough to come into a thread they think is bad and seek to antagonize all the users enjoying the title, that would make them an attention seeking little D-Bag. Anyone who says they are leaving because they don't like a title and then proceed to endlessly respond over and over again deserves a quick spot on our ignore list imo and that's where they are now on my ignore list.

I don't consider any of that Hostile but it is direct.

This game has issues I agree, I really want to see the sister show up again, and even the lady working the counter at the hotel in Chapter 1 was interesting, no title is perfect but the writers have been doing a good enough job so far that I am patiently waiting to see how this tale unfolds before I get my pitchfork out.

WR

 

[avdoe88]

Fair enough. Like I said I had no issues with any of the expression of opinions on the game...

That was me explaining not everyone will like all titles, if a user felt strongly enough the best place for them to voice their opinion for change is on Patreon. Most Devs don't visit here and they would be silly to follow advice from the thieves guild over their paying subs.

This game has issues I agree, I really want to see the sister show up again, and even the lady working the counter at the hotel in Chapter 1 was interesting, no title is perfect but the writers have been doing a good enough job so far that I am patiently waiting to see how this tale unfolds before I get my pitchfork out.

But see here where it might give a wrong impression? I for one came here to discuss the game, negative or positive. Not to ask for changes, but to discuss and see how others feel about things. See if my views are echoed, or on the contrary. To see things differently maybe, hear new perspectives on events in the game, etc. You know... discuss. What pitchforks? I understand that you mixed the person you were responding to, which made it look more extreme than it is, but I mean this:

"if it's not too your taste drop your subscription on Patreon until it meets your level of acceptance or complain on Patreon. Unless of course you are not subscribed at all with no intention to support the work"

Doesn't exactly invite a discussion, it tries to shut it down. And it reminds of Reddit too much. I for one am not invested enough in this media to become a Patreon or wait patiently for new episodes. I'll come back to it in a year or 2. I think a steam purchase is more than enough "support". I just want to discuss the game with others If not HERE, then where the hell else?

Peace

 

[Forest Fire]

did the comments get deleted or something?

 

[avdoe88]

What are the tools used to make this game btw? Ren'Py of course, but what else? DaZ?