VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.8] [Lazy Monkey]

[Youtiy]

The point of the white path i that you didn't go through with the the coup at all but launched a rebellion and took power that way. Verses the red path where you usurp the cope and are more capable of using underhanded methods, like having your wife assassinate someone.

There is lterally zero reason why you wouldn't be able to launch a trope on the red path. If anything it would be the white path that forces you to choose a side and the red path would be more the path to pick neither and swoop in after they've already fought and force your demands

You do understand that what we did in the White path isn't a rebellion right? You quite literally put down an attempted Coup, you are about as far from a rebellion as you could possibly be. Back on topic though, there's nothing stopping you from using underhanded methods in the White path, it's not like you've got a universal law stating that only this one specific person can assassinate people, nothing's stopping you from having someone killed via other means. For example

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As for your last statement, I can only really be confused on your thought process. You do understand that the path's affect more than just how the Coup play's out right? The Coup is just the most obvious one so far, reading other parts of the game before that choice give you more information to do with it. Primarily the fact that the different paths are represented by the two voices in your head with the third being unknown at present, Red being as I said in my last message The Red Emperor. If you wanted a peaceful approach you should be on the White path, because I don' t know about you but personally I view using a Coup to take power as violent and rather lacking in diplomacy. Don't know, might just be me.

 

[storm1051787]

You do understand that what we did in the White path isn't a rebellion right? You quite literally put down an attempted Coup, you are about as far from a rebellion as you could possibly be. Back on topic though, there's nothing stopping you from using underhanded methods in the White path, it's not like you've got a universal law stating that only this one specific person can assassinate people, nothing's stopping you from having someone killed via other means. For example

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As for your last statement, I can only really be confused on your thought process. You do understand that the path's affect more than just how the Coup play's out right? The Coup is just the most obvious one so far, reading other parts of the game before that choice give you more information to do with it. Primarily the fact that the different parts are represented by the two voices in your head with the third being unknown at present, Red being as I said in my last message The Red Emperor. If you wanted a peaceful approach you should be on the White path, because I don' t know about you but personally I view using a Coup to take power as violent and rather lacking in diplomacy. Don't know, might just be me.

It's quite literally a rebellion. Cass and her supporters had full control of the court and the palace, you escape gather support and fight against her. That's the definition of a rebellion.


The red vs white vs green has literally nothing to do with your methods. Green path and Red path are literally the same thing but one is under cath's influence and the other is you making your own choices while white is simply just the player not making any underhanded tactics to achieve their goal, vs the ends justify the means reasoning of the other two.


Also no, using a coup to take control is not "lacking in diplomacy" not really sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Coups have literally nothing to do with diplomacy at all. Unless your simply just supporting a pre existing plan for a coup, which is not only direct diplomacy but also involves a lot of diplomacy skills.


But the white emperor path is not supposed to be the "peaceful approach" path and the red Emperor is not supposed to be the "bloodshed path". It's just about your morals in regard to how you rule.

 

[Youtiy]

It's quite literally a rebellion. Cass and her supporters had full control of the court and the palace, you escape gather support and fight against her. That's the definition of a rebellion.


The red vs white vs green has literally nothing to do with your methods. Green path and Red path are literally the same thing but one is under cath's influence and the other is you making your own choices while white is simply just the player not making any underhanded tactics to achieve their goal, vs the ends justify the means reasoning of the other two.


Also no, using a coup to take control is not "lacking in diplomacy" not really sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Coups have literally nothing to do with diplomacy at all. Unless your simply just supporting a pre existing plan for a coup, which is not only direct diplomacy but also involves a lot of diplomacy skills.


But the white emperor path is not supposed to be the "peaceful approach" path and the red Emperor is not supposed to be the "bloodshed path". It's just about your morals in regard to how you rule.

Alright, let's get one thing out of the way. The definition of a rebellion, a Rebellion is an armed action against a Government or State, Cass is neither of those. She is a usurper who forcefully took power under false pretenses and with military force therefore it is quite literally not possible to mount a rebellion against her. What you did however do is act like a good little loyalist and fought back against someone attempting to usurp the throne, this isn't a debate this is a simple fact. Cass had taken control of the capital and literally nothing else at this stage, she did not cement her position of power nor did she have control of the country therefore she isn't leading the nation.

As for your second point, to a limited extent your right. You still have freedom of choice, however of the two paths red is far more violent and bloodthirsty when compared against the White path, with the White path you are realistically following the laws of the nation and are the lawful leader, in neither of the other ones are you where you should be at all. It would not surprise me in the slightest if we got path specific options for the Red path which're far more brutal then the other two as that despite what you seem to believe is what it's there for.

I'm honestly not to sure what you were trying to say with your third.

using a coup to take control is not "lacking in diplomacy" not really sure how you arrive at that conclusion. Coups have literally nothing to do with diplomacy at all.

I'm guessing you completely missed the sarcasm in what I said somehow but I guess I can explain it directly. I was using it to lead further credence to my statement that the Red path was one of warfare and bloodshed not peace since as you so aptly put Coups do indeed have nothing to do with diplomacy, funnily enough armed takeovers aren't diplomatic.

 

[storm1051787]

Alright, let's get one thing out of the way. The definition of a rebellion, a Rebellion is an armed action against a Government or State, Cass is neither of those. She is a usurper who forcefully took power under false pretenses and with military force therefore it is quite literally not possible to mount a rebellion against her. What you did however do is act like a good little loyalist and fought back against someone attempting to usurp the throne, this isn't a debate this is a simple fact. Cass had taken control of the capital and literally nothing else at this stage, she did not cement her position of power nor did she have control of the country therefore she isn't leading the nation.

As for your second point, to a limited extent your right. You still have freedom of choice, however of the two paths red is far more violent and bloodthirsty when compared against the White path, with the White path you are realistically following the laws of the nation and are the lawful leader, in neither of the other ones are you where you should be at all. It would not surprise me in the slightest if we got path specific options for the Red path which're far more brutal then the other two as that despite what you seem to believe is what it's there for.

I'm honestly not to sure what you were trying to say with your third.

I'm guessing you completely missed the sarcasm in what I said somehow but I guess I can explain it directly. I was using it to lead further credence to my statement that the Red path was one of warfare and bloodshed not peace since as you so aptly put Coups do indeed have nothing to do with diplomacy, funnily enough armed takeovers aren't diplomatic.

Cath is control of the Government. Capital and the court are synonymous and is the seat of power for the ruling class, and where they make all their decisisons. It doesn't matter that she took control of it earlier in a coup. She still had complete control. Being a usurper or not is completely irrelevant to whether or not something is a rebellion. Nor does it matter whether the people supporting you are loyalists to the old regime or not.




Second the reason why coups don't have anything to do with diplomacy is because diplomacy is about foreign policy, not court politics. It doesn't matter whether you take control through a coup or through legitament means. Neither involve diplomacy. Making a deal with either a foreign lords or their rebelling vassals both are diplomacy.


And you can keep insisting that the red path is the blood shed path all you want. It's not what the actual game presents itself as, but rather you using any method to stay in power. You taking control from cath is not a blood bath but the result of deception and cass being posioned if you have Isis kill her. The red path would be more stuff like that, back stabbing and espionage if it's suited towards your goals. It's not supposed to be the brutal path and you don't achieve the path in the first place by brutal methods.


The white path is more bloody than the red path is. Because in the red path you're just going along with everything then backstabbing your way into power, vs the white path where you are directly using military might.

 

[Youtiy]

Cath is control of the Government. Capital and the court are synonymous and is the seat of power for the ruling class, and where they make all their decisisons. It doesn't matter that she took control of it earlier in a coup. She still had complete control. Being a usurper or not is completely irrelevant to whether or not something is a rebellion. Nor does it matter whether the people supporting you are loyalists to the old regime or not.




Second the reason why coups don't have anything to do with diplomacy is because diplomacy is about foreign policy, not court politics. It doesn't matter whether you take control through a coup or through legitament means. Neither involve diplomacy. Making a deal with either a foreign lords or their rebelling vassals both are diplomacy.


And you can keep insisting that the red path is the blood shed path all you want. It's not what the actual game presents itself as, but rather you using any method to stay in power. You taking control is from cath is not a blood bath but the result of deception and cass being posioned if you have Isis kill her. The red path would be more stuff like that, back stabbing and espionage if it's suited towards your goals. It's not supposed to be the brutal path and you don't achieve the path in the first place by brutal methods.

Alright, this is going to be my last message on the subject since we're just running in circles, I'm not going to address the path's anymore just your incorrect understanding on how rebellion works.

By that very same logic let's say your a king and another country invades yours, they take your capital. By your logic if you fight back then it's a rebellion. I don't think I have to explain why that's absurd.

 

[storm1051787]

Alright, this is going to be my last message on the subject since we're just running in circles, I'm not going to address the path's anymore just your incorrect understanding on how rebellion works.

By that very same logic let's say your a king and another country invades yours, they take your capital. By your logic if you fight back then it's a rebellion. I don't think I have to explain why that's absurd.

That is not what a rebellion is. It does not matter how the person you are launching a rebellion against took control. All that matters is that you are launching a counter force against whoever is currently in charge.

And yes. If a king fully annexes your country and you gather supporters to the old regime to retake power that's still a rebellion. If the previous king gets deposed and then gathers support to retake the crown it's a rebellion. The only way it wouldn't be a rebellion is if the previous king is still in charge and him and his vassals simply just retreated to another stronghold which isn't what happened here. Here the old king is in a coma and cass and her supporters are in charge of the government.

A rebellion is literally just an opposing force taking power from whoever is in charge and you're overcomplicating it by whether or not the regime took power legally which doesn't matter.

 

[Gicoo]

Whether MC is the rebellion opposing Cass already established rule or if MC is the established rule and opposing Cass coup, its semantic and the end result is the same.

The differences between Red and Green should become more clear the more conflicts are tacked on and solved accordingly.
Currently we just had the coup and there are certainly similarities, particulary siding with Cass immediatly (Green) and refusing Cass, but potentially siding with her once imprisoned (Red). Instead of killing her (which is also Red) or being even less proactive and leaving it to others (White). Red is very flexible and harder to nail down.
All in time, just as we should get other allignments like Purple or whatever the North has.

 

[Zakharova]

I'm curious to know how the dev will handle seemingly contradictory player decisions: for example, I supported Cass's coup (best thing to do is get rid of that old bastard), but at the same time I try to make decisions in favor of the elves (make the elven empire great again). I hope these two routes are not mutually exclusive.

 

[krnm]

the elven empire

Weren't they some sort of a republic?

 

[Zakharova]

Weren't they some sort of a republic?

Not anymore

 

[Walter Victor]

I try to make decisions in favor of the elves (make the elven empire great again).

Does that mean you're a MEEGA Imperial?

 

[Filipis]

I'm curious to know how the dev will handle seemingly contradictory player decisions: for example, I supported Cass's coup (best thing to do is get rid of that old bastard), but at the same time I try to make decisions in favor of the elves (make the elven empire great again). I hope these two routes are not mutually exclusive.

Hopefully, not like they handled the Coup update (0.6)...

 

[Tyktamsyl]

This game is quite good, I especially like the maledom routes. I guess I would like more kissing incorporated into those though.

This game actually reminds me of Fire Emblem in a strange way, a story that starts light and turns more mature in a coming of age type of tale. I hope the harem turns out great.

 

[icedogg]

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[Gicoo]

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What are the chances of Erin contributing to the plot and taking a stance?

 

[Titor23]

What are the chances of Erin contributing to the plot and taking a stance?

 

[scorpi10n]

is there a way to turn off incest?

 

[Sossse]

is there a way to turn off incest?

not download "fanmade" patch? or just not romance any family members?

 

[dirtyfaustine]

is there a way to turn off incest?

why ? do you want to romance 'landlady' & 'tenants' instead ?

 

[Gicoo]

is there a way to turn off incest?

Sort of if you don't act too close and touchy with your family, but a few scenes may still appear.
The incest is simply too integrated in the story and encouraged to follow. Mom and siblings are the main love interests with the most scenes, and engaging with them give rewards and define MCs agenda (following his elf nature, embracing his magic potential, gaining power, etc.)