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Keep in mind that Cornell, MC, and Julia all thought the ruse would last only for a few days while his mother was visiting. When Cornell's mother decided to prolong her stay, is when the situation got more complicated.
And about the "deal" in PE: ultimately, this is an AVN, a porn game if you will, and the presumption is always "If something can go wrong/kinky, it will go wrong/kinky".
And indeed something did go wrong/kinky :p

Hey, at least in Pineapple Express the MC was given another female option to have fun with besides the FMC. The same cannot be said for Exploring the Big Apple, as the focus is on the FMC and other men. Hell, in ETBA the FMC didn't even send the MC threesome porn involving another woman when she thought to herself that's probably what he would have preferred to see...but that's not what Emma wanted to fantasize about because she already amazingly had developed the insatiable hots for Martin within just a few days of meeting him.

And that's another thing that differs from Pineapple Express: Martin was a stranger to Emma at the beginning of ETBA (with her even calling him a "stranger" at first), whereas Cornell in PE was the best friend of the MC and by extension was a friend to Julia (with the MC mentioning that they had partied together in the past).

Regardless though, in both games everything can happen a bit too quickly for my taste. Even if such fantasies are being entertained with the MC, I don't think that the FMC should be so fast to want to give it up to another guy. I feel that choosing to break the monogamy of a long-term relationship so quickly in the midst of having no choice but to be in close proximity to another man (which in ETBA includes when the husband is out of town) cheapens the experience, as it makes it seem like it's more of a matter of ease/convenience. In the case of ETBA, doing so while the MC is out of town also excludes the MC from taking part in the experience, and there is no consideration of the MC possibly desiring to have an experience of his own separate from the FMC (as she has been allowed to do, or rather has allowed herself to do).
 
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Julia :love: is his best girl! It's a good game.
In terms of physical attractiveness alone, I think it's a close call between Julia from Pineapple Express and Emma from Exploring the Big Apple. Of course, there will be people who prefer the physical characteristics of one versus the other (such as hair color/style, facial features, breast size, body shape, skin tone, etc.), but I think that it's altogether a close call.

However, I feel that Julia has a sexier personality, which makes her overall hotter than Emma. Julia is better at teasing and says things that are more of a turn-on than Emma, and with the exception of the cheating path, I also find that Julia is more comforting in expressing her feelings toward the MC. However, even on the cheating path, Julia cheats in part in response to the actions of the MC, and she does not conceal her cheating for long and ultimately demands honest communication; whereas along the cheating path for Emma, she thus far has concealed all sexual interactions with Martin from her husband.
 
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Yes, I played Pineapple Express (PE) and still have it because some of the sex scenes are hot. Other than that, however, my opinion of the game based on the overall story (all paths considered) is not very good. The F95 review of Pineapple Express by Cthulu45 voices some of the concerns I had about the overall story, which center on reliance on contrived scenarios.

However, similar to Exploring the Big Apple (ETBA), I preferred the sharing path in PE because it does not forsake love/loyalty in the relationship, is altogether more eventful/exciting than the monogamy path (see more on this below), and does not reduce the sexual involvement of the MC with his female partner to that of a spectator.

Broadly speaking, I would say that ETBA is generally of higher quality than PE, though ETBA is a more recent product and is not superior in every way. Also, the opening themes differ in some important respects: bf and gf vs. married couple, female partner agreeing to live with a male friend for a few days to act like she's his fiancee vs. married couple agreeing to live with a friend while they get on their feet financially, and MC admitting that sex with the FMC had become stale lately vs. young married couple who still have quite passionate sex with each other when able.

Having said that, I think if I were the MC in PE that I would have told Cornell he should have known better than to drag my gf into his rich family mess, and that what he was asking was too much. However, PE does not give the option of refusing the request, and even if it did, I'm sure it would be game over.

One common issue with the non-NTR paths in games involving NTR is that the most sex-filled/sexually exciting paths usually are the ones where the female partner becomes more interested in or aroused by having sex with men other than the MC, whereas paths involving more of monogamy usually have a lower number of sex scenes and scenes that are less visually exciting/animated, which amounts to being relatively boring. So for me, the best compromise in games involving NTR is usually the sharing path (ideally involving loyalty, permission, and mutual enjoyment). It's also nice when the MC is potentially allowed sexual pleasure from other women (which to its credit PE includes) instead of the game being all about the FMC potentially being allowed sexual pleasure from other men (which thus far is what ETBA does).

To do like I did with ETBA, here's some early dialogue from PE that comes to bother me later along some paths:

Cornell (in presenting his request): "Julia, you don't have to do anything intimate or anything like that. Just be there with me when my mom visits, and spend a few nights at my place."

Julia (in assuring the MC about agreeing to do it): "Deal! But remember, it's just acting."

Peter: "I trust you, babe. Just make sure you don't fall for him while you're playing fiancee."

Julia: "Don't worry, I'll save all my love for you. Cornell's just gonna have to deal with that!"

Peter (speaking to Cornell afterwards): "I've talked to my girlfriend, and she's on board with helping you. But remember, it has to be within reasonable boundaries."

Cornell: "Hell yeah! That's awesome news, Peter! I swear, I'll be on my best behavior."

So after all of that was said, if the MC allows the FMC and Cornell to act as they will (not intervening when they're "acting" for family or when what is viewed is from a hidden camera), then the following happens: Cornell sleeps naked in bed with Julia; Cornell places his hand on Julia's breast while kissing her; Julia places her hand on Cornell's cock in bed; Cornell whips his dick out in front of Julia in a bathroom stall; Julia gives Cornell a handjob in bed; Julia licks Cornell's dick while jacking him off under a table; and Julia gives Cornell a blowjob in bed. Does that sound like just acting, saving all the love for the MC, or being on one's best behavior? Essentially, the (mostly) monogamy path in PE where the MC allows the FMC and his friend to make their own decisions while shutting them down when explicitly asked amounts to a semi-cuck path, where the FMC and friend act quite differently toward each other relative to their initial assurances to the MC. Lastly, I dislike that along this semi-cuck path (and the full-blown cuck path), the MC is depicted as this guy who gets so excited from seeing his girlfriend have sex with another man that his dick becomes useless for having intercourse with her (due to masturbation or premature ejaculation), in effect making him of little use in sexually pleasuring his girlfriend except to eat her pussy.

Similar to ETBA, there's also some inconsistency in the chain of events in PE if the MC does not give the FMC permission to cross the line with his friend yet trusts his girlfriend and friend to make their own decisions without intervention. On one path, even if the MC chose not to share the dream he had about the FMC having sex with Cornell, the FMC later teases the MC about possibly doing naughty things with Cornell and says that maybe he'll get excited about it like he did about his dream. Then if the MC sends a text to Julia in the hospital that she's a big girl and can make her own decisions, she immediately after rides Cornell's dick in his hospital bed. However, even if the MC sends a text to Julia explicitly saying that she needs to shut down any sexual advances from Cornell, when the MC next speaks to Julia she talks as if she just had sex with Cornell (despite the MC witnessing Cornell alone in his hospital bed watching porn on his phone). So similar to ETBA, I feel that the cuck and sharing paths were the most carefully and coherently constructed in PE, whereas the other paths (the ones more or less involving monogamy or cheating) seemed to make less sense or have less care devoted to them.
Wow. thanks for this detailed answer. i didn't expect that. I like PE better, but unfortunately the end is over too quickly. I hope this game gets a remastered version or a sequel. I think it would be very well received.
 

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Wow. thanks for this detailed answer. i didn't expect that. I like PE better, but unfortunately the end is over too quickly. I hope this game gets a remastered version or a sequel. I think it would be very well received.
Agreed. PE ends too abruptly, and it doesn't end in a very satisfying manner. Dimajio did express interest in making a sequel to PE at some point, dunno if he still wants to. But his next game (after EtBA) is definitely an original new project.
 

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Agreed. PE ends too abruptly, and it doesn't end in a very satisfying manner. Dimajio did express interest in making a sequel to PE at some point, dunno if he still wants to. But his next game (after EtBA) is definitely an original new project.
sorry. i forgot about you. thanks also for your detailed reply.
 
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Please, don't invoke that dark juju here, dimajio doesn't abandon games - even games he clearly got tired of.
I was being facetious, but both games went awol, at the same time... Although I can understand both of the developers struggles, because I know it's a shit-ton of work making these games, without insurance of any return on investment.
 
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In terms of physical attractiveness alone, I think it's a close call between Julia from Pineapple Express and Emma from Exploring the Big Apple. Of course, there will be people who prefer the physical characteristics of one versus the other (such as hair color/style, facial features, breast size, body shape, skin tone, etc.), but I think that it's altogether a close call.

However, I feel that Julia has a sexier personality, which makes her overall hotter than Emma. Julia is better at teasing and says things that are more of a turn-on than Emma, and with the exception of the cheating path, I also find that Julia is more comforting in expressing her feelings toward the MC. However, even on the cheating path, Julia cheats in part in response to the actions of the MC, and she does not conceal her cheating for long and ultimately demands honest communication; whereas along the cheating path for Emma, she thus far has concealed all sexual interactions with Martin from her husband.
You know when it comes to Emma VS Julia it's weird for me I do think Julia has a better personality and more appealing sexually to me. But there is something about the way Emma acts I can't quite put my finger on that makes me prefer her and I don't even know why or what it is. Kind of bugs me tbh.
 
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You know when it comes to Emma VS Julia it's weird for me I do think Julia has a better personality and more appealing sexually to me. But there is something about the way Emma acts I can't quite put my finger on that makes me prefer her and I don't even know why or what it is. Kind of bugs me tbh.
Cup size :sneaky:
 
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In looking across Pineapple Express and Exploring the Big Apple, another thing that bothers me is in regard to the character development of the FMC (Julia and Emma), specifically, their willingness to do things with other men that they were not willing to do with their partner. In both PE and ETBA, the FMC allows a man from outside of their relationship to have anal sex with them when they were not willing to do this with their partner. This makes little sense from the standpoint of fairness and wanting to please one's partner, but it also makes little practical sense, as the men who they gave their anal virginity to are noted as having a larger penis than their partner has. Also, in PE in particular, Julia is described as not having been very enthusiastic about giving her partner blowjobs, yet she is very enthusiastic about giving Cornell blowjobs.

I'm guessing the story-consistent answer for why this happens is supposed to be that these other men bring behaviors out of them which their partners did not. Besides not making sense from a fairness and practical perspective, however, their choice to be selective in displaying certain behaviors to where their partner is excluded would undoubtedly affect the excitement of their partner in bed. What I mean is that if they're less energetic about performing certain behaviors with their partner (such as giving a blowjob) or are less willing to be sexually adventurous or try new things with their partner (such as anal sex), then this without a doubt would affect the sexual excitement that their partner would experience, which in the moment and over time could result in their partner not being as passionate in bed as they otherwise would be.

Beyond that, in both games the MC and FMC do not have a discussion about if anything is off limits in sharing with others. Without discussion or hesitation, the FMC allows another man/other men to cum inside of her, have anal sex with her, and engage in double penetration with her. So although the FMC may make it out to be like she's willing to do things with other men to fulfill her partner's kink, her primary focus clearly seems to shift from wanting to please her partner to wanting to please another man/other men (and of course herself).
 

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Wow. thanks for this detailed answer. i didn't expect that. I like PE better, but unfortunately the end is over too quickly. I hope this game gets a remastered version or a sequel. I think it would be very well received.
You're welcome! I'm glad you appreciated my response.

Pineapple Express has grown on me over time, despite some initial and continuing reservations. I initially deleted it from my computer after my first time playing it, but then I ended up downloading it again and keeping it. In thinking about it now, I did the same thing with Exploring the Big Apple. Generally speaking, I also have had to warm up somewhat to NTR-focused AVNs, in part by learning to ignore or minimize some of the typical tropes/aspects that I tend to dislike.
 
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I mentioned this a while back. I think the developer should take the 3wives from his last games and have them meet up for some fun time. They could introduce the other women to their bull. It could be a one off. No developing story no corruption just straight to the fun times
 

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In looking across Pineapple Express and Exploring the Big Apple, another thing that bothers me is in regard to the character development of the FMC (Julia and Emma), specifically, their willingness to do things with other men that they were not willing to do with their partner. In both PE and ETBA, the FMC allows a man from outside of their relationship to have anal sex with them when they were not willing to do this with their partner. This makes little sense from the standpoint of fairness and wanting to please one's partner, but it also makes little practical sense, as the men who they gave their anal virginity to are noted as having a larger penis than their partner has. Also, in PE in particular, Julia is described as not having been very enthusiastic about giving her partner blowjobs, yet she is very enthusiastic about giving Cornell blowjobs.

I'm guessing the story-consistent answer for why this happens is supposed to be that these other men bring behaviors out of them which their partners did not. Besides not making sense from a fairness and practical perspective, however, their choice to be selective in displaying certain behaviors to where their partner is excluded would undoubtedly affect the excitement of their partner in bed. What I mean is that if they're less energetic about performing certain behaviors with their partner (such as giving a blowjob) or are less willing to be sexually adventurous or try new things with their partner (such as anal sex), then this without a doubt would affect the sexual excitement that their partner would experience, which in the moment and over time could result in their partner not being as passionate in bed as they otherwise would be.

Beyond that, in both games the MC and FMC do not have a discussion about if anything is off limits in sharing with others. Without discussion or hesitation, the FMC allows another man/other men to cum inside of her, have anal sex with her, and engage in double penetration with her. So although the FMC may make it out to be like she's willing to do things with other men to fulfill her partner's kink, her primary focus clearly seems to shift from wanting to please her partner to wanting to please another man/other men (and of course herself).
All I can say is... you're reading too much into their behaviour. You're not incorrect in your assessments, mind you, but you're going deeper than you should.

These are NTR stories, and one of the hallmarks of NTR stories (or paths) is the FMC's debauchery rising to such a level that she is more sexually comfortable with her "bull" than she ever was with her original partner, the MC. It dabbles into the "cuckolding" and humiliation aspect of true NTR, where the woman is happier and more satisfied with the antagonist who "stole" her, so it would make sense that the FMC is more willing to indulge the bull's sexual tastes (like the aforementioned anal & creampie sex).
 

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You're welcome! I'm glad you appreciated my response.

Pineapple Express has grown on me over time, despite some initial and continuing reservations. I initially deleted it from my computer after my first time playing it, but then I ended up downloading it again and keeping it. In thinking about it now, I did the same thing with Exploring the Big Apple. Generally speaking, I also have had to warm up somewhat to NTR-focused AVNs, in part by learning to ignore or minimize some of the typical tropes/aspects that I tend to dislike.
I have to say that PE unfortunately gave away a lot of potential, even though I still really like it. I miss some scenes like in the shower in Cornell's bedroom. The development between MC and Cornell's sister had more potential. MC saved pictures of her on his cell phone, after that the story with her was almost over. Then the pregnancy path. To this day, nobody knows who the child is from? I would have liked to have seen how it developed.
 

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All I can say is... you're reading too much into their behaviour. You're not incorrect in your assessments, mind you, but you're going deeper than you should.

These are NTR stories, and one of the hallmarks of NTR stories (or paths) is the FMC's debauchery rising to such a level that she is more sexually comfortable with her "bull" than she ever was with her original partner, the MC. It dabbles into the "cuckolding" and humiliation aspect of true NTR, where the woman is happier and more satisfied with the antagonist who "stole" her, so it would make sense that the FMC is more willing to indulge the bull's sexual tastes (like the aforementioned anal & creampie sex).
I get what you're saying and understand that this is part of the history/common themes of the NTR genre, but does it necessarily have to be that way? Can't a female partner crave having sex with another guy because it's a different or novel experience rather than an altogether better or more satisfying experience? We all like some variety sometimes to keep things interesting and thus sometimes will seek out new experiences, which does not amount to seeking one thing that's better than the previous thing; sometimes people just crave something different.

Also, if the female partner feels more willing to perform certain sex acts with another man when it's something that her significant other desired to do but was denied, then it would seem like either it's time for a conversation about why she's denying her loving partner this experience (and ideally figure out what can be done to share this experience with him) or it's time to let her partner have the experience he's being denied with another woman. Otherwise, it comes off as being selfish and insensitive in relation to her partner's desires.

Speaking of the humiliation aspect of NTR, this is the main reason why I have had difficulty warming up to the genre. If I were to have some kind of arrangement with my female partner like that, I would try to take care not to say things that might make her feel as if I want another woman more than her or that she's inferior to some other woman in some way, and I would expect her to try to do the same (and of course maintain open communication). However, I know that not everyone feels the way I do, so I'm just expressing my opinion/personal preference when it comes to imagining myself to some extent as the FMC's partner.
 
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