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yeah sounds about right but that dam cop/Rachel scene just for some reason really bothered me lol
That's how the majority of people react to NTR content. It's a betrayal, and that can cut deep. Rachel lies and manipulates her own twin for a bit of cash and a rapist cop.

Edit: No kink shaming, it's just a kink that has a high squick value for many folks. (though consent can get muddy very quickly, which is more of an issue)
 
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To me, the Siren path is Ashe growing more confident and assertive, the Kitten path is surrendering and becoming more comfortable with that
I would say the Kitty route is about pleasing others and making them feel good, literally the game says it's about adoring other women.

yeah sounds about right but that dam cop/Rachel scene just for some reason really bothered me lol
For me the most shocking moment of the CQ route was the video call with Zoey, Zoey was Ashe's first time and then Ashe seeing her with someone bigger than her fucking her senseless, being that is a very bitter pill to swallow, that's when I said to myself “fuck this route, I'm out”
 

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I would say the Kitty route is about pleasing others and making them feel good, literally the game says it's about adoring other women.


For me the most shocking moment of the CQ route was the video call with Zoey, Zoey was Ashe's first time and then Ashe seeing her with someone bigger than her fucking her senseless, being that is a very bitter pill to swallow, that's when I said to myself “fuck this route, I'm out”
I personally found that Zoey scene a testament to how good Morrigan is as a writer.

I don't like cq content. I would not consider myself a hater, I just completely do not understand the appeal and what could be the mindset of people who like it. So I also mostly avoided the tag. But the way this was set up, that it is Zoey who took Ashes virginity and then the way Ashes Stream of consciousness is written during that scene at least gave me an interesting inside.

So I will definately keep following that Route.
 

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That person was describing a "modern" harem where everyone is in love with the same person and has no issue sharing with the other harem members. That's what's unrealistic. Historical harems are pretty far removed from that fantasy. As for other cultures maintaining the practice, well, I'll just say those cultures don't tend to be the most progressive with regards to female rights and leave it at that.
That's not what I meant at all and such a union is not unrealistic and, even if it's unrealistic, I was talking about harem as a fetish in games... so yeah, it can be unrealistic no prob. And if you consider what I said as "modern harem" of sorts, does it mean you agree with me that there are different types?

It sounds like the same shit because it is the same shit. Harems by definition are an inequal relationship where one person has the freedom to fuck around while none of their partners can. It's fine as a fantasy, but it's unrealistic.
And also, that's not the 'by the book' definition of a harem. The definition is literally of a housing/place/'set of rules' for guarding and keeping women from contacting with men that are not eunuchs (who were used as the guards of the harem). But the harem was also frequented by young male children, female servants and non-married female relatives. The fuckfest fantasy you mention is a fetishised version of what a harem acually is, so you are arguing with me by using another 'unrealistic' version of a harem. And I was literally talking about harem in fiction. As a fetish. Not the literal thing, I don't even know why you brought literal harens into the talk.

But the closest meaning to what I was talking about is 'polyamorous harem', but not quite it also, the members of the harem don't need to be in love with each other, just need to like and convive with each other without having to dedicate their lives to the harem head. Also I disconsidered all the restriction (all the haram) of the harem, so it's even more detached from the original meaning
 

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That's not what I meant at all and such a union is not unrealistic and, even if it's unrealistic, I was talking about harem as a fetish in games... so yeah, it can be unrealistic no prob. And if you consider what I said as "modern harem" of sorts, does it mean you agree with me that there are different types?


And also, that's not the 'by the book' definition of a harem. The definition is literally of a housing/place/'set of rules' for guarding and keeping women from contacting with men that are not eunuchs (who were used as the guards of the harem). But the harem was also frequented by young male children, female servants and non-married female relatives. The fuckfest fantasy you mention is a fetishised version of what a harem acually is, so you are arguing with me by using another 'unrealistic' version of a harem. And I was literally talking about harem in fiction. As a fetish. Not the literal thing, I don't even know why you brought literal harens into the talk.

But the closest meaning to what I was talking about is 'polyamorous harem', but not quite it also, the members of the harem don't need to be in love with each other, just need to like and convive with each other without having to dedicate their lives to the harem head. Also I disconsidered all the restriction (all the haram) of the harem, so it's even more detached from the original meaning
I mentioned literal harems because the guy I was replying to directly mentioned historical harems as an argument for them being realistic. Obviously, that's not what any of us are talking about when we use the term. That is the point of my post.

Also, you said my definition of a harem is not what you meant and then basically reiterated the same definition. You want a harem where a bunch of people are into 1 guy and are ok sharing him and don't fuck anyone else. Everything else is just an excuse. So what if there are interharem relationships at play? They're still centered around a guy. A harem without a love interest as the focus is just a friend group.
 

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screenshot0004.png Is it just me or these three frames look kinda odd? After replaying it I feel like Ashe's jaw is kind of disproportionate. Even Ashe's blowjob to Natasha, whose dick is significantly larger, doesn't seem to have this problem. Everything about the Ashe and Fiona scene is perfect except this. Hope the Dev notice it and make better blowjob renders in the next update.
 
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That's how the majority of people react to NTR content. It's a betrayal, and that can cut deep. Rachel lies and manipulates her own twin for a bit of cash and a rapist cop.

Edit: No kink shaming, it's just a kink that has a high squick value for many folks. (though consent can get muddy very quickly, which is more of an issue)

yeah guess i'm figureing that out myself for the first time i've played a ton of games on here some had ntr some didn't so far this one bothered me the most guess i got to attached to Rachel and the way the author posed Rachel in those scenes making her all cute and playful lol i really hope the author shows what happened in the next update cause i wanna see it. Maybe NTR isn't for me lol

The other game that gave me this feeling was the Adventurous couple dad scene.
 
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View attachment 4590574 Is it just me or these three frames look kinda odd? After replaying it I feel like Ashe's jaw is kind of disproportionate. Even Ashe's blowjob to Natasha, whose dick is significantly larger, doesn't seem to have this problem. Everything about the Ashe and Fiona scene is perfect except this. Hope the Dev notice it and make better blowjob renders in the next update.
The dev didn’t need to use ready-made sucking emotions, but did them manually, then it would have looked better!
 

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Ok, so I went and played the CQ route because I got curious on some comments... It's actually really good because of the sheer ammount of sexual content that exists on that route and it would be even better if I didn't felt annoyed that there's so many juicy, meaty and big cocks and I can't get any because the route is more focused on trying to make me feel bad and humiliated... why Morrigan? Why would you cock tease us like that? I want some Stella and most definitely I want some Layla PRONTO.

The only single scene that had NTR is Rachel (kinda), I already didn't care much about Rachel but the route managed to make me care even less, bitch I know you are cock hungry because you want Ashe's cock and can't have it because sister, but why would you lie about it? Plus, making Ashe so desperate over some messages was beyond me because Ashe didn't get this bad when 'gotta stay Alpha' futa got her hands all over Rachel in front of her. I know that Morrigan wanted to make the NTR feeling work, but that just made Ashe act weird for no reason.

And all of this brings me back to a point I had made in my mind right when I saw the routes being introduced... I hate them. I fucking hate them so much. They literally change stuff and make you lose content in the game. I hate this.
Evellyn date's result change depending on the route and this is stupid, her date should have ended the same way for all of them, we got to meet Stella, but our reactions to her would be different: voyeur for cuck, trying to show strenght in siren and being mellow and submissive in kitten.

But to actually develop my point: THE ROUTES SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST IN THIS TIME OF THE GAME!

They are dumb and stupid. Why can't I act some way with some character and another way with others? I don't care if Rachel sloober on Natasha's cock, but I want Lexy. And I want Layla too btw, why does only Lexy gets her? I want Ashe to meet Stella (and maybe her cock too), but I don't want her to fuck Evelly, because I want Evelly to call Ashe a 'good girl' for giving her a foot massage, that line was so, so hot. I also want Ashe to have a threesome with Jordan and Zoey, not happening because Jordan, just like Stella, don't fucking exists outside of a cuck route, so no action for Ashe with them, nice call.

My point is: Take out the fucking routes out and throw them in the trash. Then add a point system or maybe some choices that drive you to some sort of route with some characters, that way you can choose when to dom, when to sub, when to share and be a voyeur.
I want stuff from all the routes, but I can't get them because choosing a route means I lose all content from the others... that's probably going to make the game suck for me down the line since I would never be able to tailor the gameplay to my liking. The gameplay should work like Natasha's scene choices, you can choose what would happen regardless of route. Sending Rachel to Natasha should be a choice, but that doesn't mean you can't flirt with Lexy because you should be able to choose if you cared about whatever Rachel was doing or not. You should be able to choose if you wanted to give Evellyn a back massage or a foot massage. You should be able to play the game fully and actually immerse yourself in Ashe's characteristics as a whole instead of breaking her persona in three and be forced to ONLY play one of them.

Sorry for the rant, but yeah, the routes suck ass. If you are worried about NTR content, just add a warning or read the dialogue so you don't go enforcing NTR behavior.
 
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because Ashe didn't get this bad when 'gotta stay Alpha' futa got her hands all over Rachel in front of her.
"Gotta stay alpha" isn't a threat to anyone.

Natasha is a predator that is very capable of getting what she wants and has a badge to hide behind.

Miss Alpha can barely string a sentence together and only knows how to deadlift.
 
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yeah guess i'm figureing that out myself for the first time i've played a ton of games on here some had ntr some didn't so far this one bothered me the most guess i got to attached to Rachel and the way the author posed Rachel in those scenes making her all cute and playful lol i really hope the author shows what happened in the next update cause i wanna see it. Maybe NTR isn't for me lol

The other game that gave me this feeling was the Adventurous couple dad scene.
That's actually how you should react to NTR, this means the fetish is working and if you actually like the NTR then it's not working and it's not NTR anymore, it turns into another fetish. For it to work, you should be against the NTR, be angry, sad, bothered by it, but still be draw to it anyways. This is the biggest reason why I find NTR to be so stupid.
 
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"Gotta stay alpha" isn't a threat to anyone.

Natasha is a predator that is very capable of getting what she wants and has a badge to hide behind.

Miss Alpha can barely string a sentence together and only knows how to deadlift.
I know that, but Ashe does not since she wasn't even sure what was happening in Natasha's house, while she saw the handsy bitch right in front of her.
But I understand the point and I can actually agree with it, but that was not the major point of my comment. I just didn't really understand the difference in reactions, but that's mostly because Morrigan wanted to highlight the NTR feeling of Natasha's scene I guess.

But I was mostly just pointing my thoughts with the scene before going into my point which was the routes and why they don't work for me, even more in a game as character/story and choice driven as this one. The game was progressing fine before the routes were introduced, but it left a bitter taste in my mouth and I wasn't even too enthusiastic to play the last update when it came out because of them.
 
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Ok, so I went and played the CQ route because I got curious on some comments... It's actually really good because of the sheer ammount of sexual content that exists on that route and it would be even better if I didn't felt annoyed that there's so many juicy, meaty and big cocks and I can't get any because the route is more focused on trying to make me feel bad and humiliated... why Morrigan? Why would you cock tease us like that? I want some Stella and most definitely I want some Layla PRONTO.

The only single scene that had NTR is Rachel (kinda), I already didn't care much about Rachel but the route managed to make me care even less, bitch I know you are cock hungry because you want Ashe's cock and can't have it because sister, but why would you lie about it? Plus, making Ashe so desperate over some messages was beyond me because Ashe didn't get this bad when 'gotta stay Alpha' futa got her hands all over Rachel in front of her. I know that Morrigan wanted to make the NTR feeling work, but that just made Ashe act weird for no reason.

And all of this brings me back to a point I had made in my mind right when I saw the routes being introduced... I hate them. I fucking hate them so much. They literally change stuff and make you lose content in the game. I hate this.
Evellyn date's result change depending on the route and this is stupid, her date should have ended the same way for all of them, we got to meet Stella, but our reactions to her would be different: voyeur for cuck, trying to show strenght in siren and being mellow and submissive in kitten.

But to actually develop my point: THE ROUTES SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST!

They are dumb and stupid. Why can't I act some way with some character and another way with others? I don't care if Rachel sloober on Natasha's cock, but I want Lexy. And I want Layla too btw, why does only Lexy gets her? I want Ashe to meet Stella (and maybe her cock too), but I don't want her to fuck Evelly, because I want Evelly to call Ashe a 'good girl' for giving her a foot massage, that line was so, so hot. I also want Ashe to have a threesome with Jordan and Zoey, not happening because Jordan, just like Stella, don't fucking exists outside of a cuck route, so no action for Ashe with them, nice call.

My point is: Take out the fucking routes out and throw them in the trash. Then add a point system or maybe some choices that drive you to some sort of route with some characters, that way you can choose when to dom, when to sub, when to share and be a voyeur.
I want stuff from all the routes, but I can't get them because choosing a route means I lose all content from the others... that's probably going to make the game suck for me down the line since I would never be able to tailor the gameplay to my liking. The gameplay should work like Natasha's scene choices, you can choose what would happen regardless of route. Sending Rachel to Natasha should be a choice, but that doesn't mean you can't flirt with Lexy because you should be able to choose if you cared about whatever Rachel was doing or not. You should be able to choose if you wanted to give Evellyn a back massage or a foot massage. You should be able to play the game fully and actually immerse yourself in Ashe's characteristics as a whole instead of breaking her persona in three and be forced to ONLY play one of them.

Sorry for the rant, but yeah, the routes suck ass. If you are worried about NTR content, just add a warning or read the dialogue so you don't go enforcing NTR behavior.
I really dislike about your comments that you postulate your personal feelings as some kind of eternal truth.

They are not.

Please say "I think the routes should not exist." This makes a huge difference imho and let other people think you want to add a valuable argument to the discussion instead of being some dude that got too attached to a porn VN and is now shouting at the moon.

Cheers mate.
 

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But to actually develop my point: THE ROUTES SHOULDN'T EVEN EXIST!
I'm gonna side with you to a degree here and say I agree. Honestly could care fuck all for the cuck queen route, mainly because it's borderline pointless and just a different type of submissive route. In fact it might as well be tied to the Kitten route. Honestly forget the routes bullshit and let players decide on things while giving all content available.

Do you want to stay home with Mom or come back at a later time and end up watching your mom get railed or not.
Same with the beach time event and such.
 

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I really dislike about your comments that you postulate your personal feelings as some kind of eternal truth.

They are not.

Please say "I think the routes should not exist." This makes a huge difference imho and let other people think you want to add a valuable argument to the discussion instead of being some dude that got too attached to a porn VN and is now shouting at the moon.

Cheers mate.
It's clear that my comment is just my personal opinion. It's my own comment after all, it can't be anything other than my opinion. Adding 'I think' won't change the content of my message in any way.
And I'm not looking into forcing it in other people and I don't want anyone to take my opinion as some sort of 'universal truth'. I just really disliked what the routes did to the game progression.
But I believie I was too agressive in my comment, so I will actually give you that. I went too far into the agression and I'm sorry for such.

But my opinion on the routes don't really change, I truly believe the game would be better without them. I wouldn't change anything regarding the content of the game (maybe only the result of Evellyn's date), the game is amazing and the content is also amazing, no matter which type.
It's just that I feel that us, as players, should have freedom of choice when it came to what we want Ashe to be. Fragmenting her persona in three and forcing us to choose one so early in the game don't sit well for me. It makes me feel that we are putting the horses before the cart... it should be our choices over a big chunk of the game's story that would mold Ashe's persona and/or her feelings over some acts and people and not some big important choice basically right at the start that makes us lose a lot of what Ashe's character could have been.

Try to see from this angle: Locking Ashe's whole personality on three single aspects makes her feel too unilateral as a character instead of the deep, emotional and interesting character we got to know on the first 2 episodes. What I'm proposing is that we should have freedom to choose our actions: We should be able to choose if Ashe wanted to give Evellyn a back massage and grind her with her erection or, instead, give her a foot massage and have her tease Ashe. And, if we kept following a route of action for a prolongued period of time, it would eventually shift Ashe's taste to that route of action.
This slow shift would make Ashe as a character feel more real as a character or at least make the transition of her personality more smooth, we can't just push a buttom and choose what we want our personality to be, we mold that over time with interactions with other people and ourselves, with many different choices, good or bad.

And as an example of what I trying to propose is basically the MC in BaDiK. We eventually get locked in a route of sorts because of the choices we made over a lot of gameplay, but even after the lock we can get the MC acting differently from what his route should do, result of making certain choices over and over again. Now imagine how much different (and worse I dare say) BaDiK would be as a game if we were forced to choose a route right from ep2 or maybe ep4? It would ruin a lot of what the game was proposing.
My idea is: What if we still choose to act more submissive with some characters in EI, despite making more dominant choices overall? Ashe would still be more confident and dominant, but she would still like to act submissive with that character. This would make the gameplay better and way more dinamic and interactive than just choosing one personality and changing the course of the whole game and how some characters act just because of ONE CHOICE rather than multiple over a prolongued period of time.
This is just an idea of course, but it don't really matter much, I just feel that Ashe should be able to make more choices in the begginning of her journey.
 
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I'm gonna side with you to a degree here and say I agree. Honestly could care fuck all for the cuck queen route, mainly because it's borderline pointless and just a different type of submissive route. In fact it might as well be tied to the Kitten route. Honestly forget the routes bullshit and let players decide on things while giving all content available.

Do you want to stay home with Mom or come back at a later time and end up watching your mom get railed or not.
Same with the beach time event and such.
That's basically my point. We are getting locked out of more than half of Ashe's persona and more than half content from the game right in the start. It's still too early for Ashe's personality to be locked into stone, I don't even like the idea of a character's personality being locked like that since I like fluidity of characters and how they interact with the world, but I understand that some people have inclinations towards some actions.

But having some choices being tied to one personality right of the bat without much time to proper develop such personality? It feels weird for me. It's even weirder that Ashe's overall behaviour didn't actually change much, she still acts like herself, but now she just won't make some choices and will prioritize some characters over others? With just ONE CHOICE?
 

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That's basically my point. We are getting locked out of more than half of Ashe's persona and more than half content from the game right in the start. It's still too early for Ashe's personality to be locked into stone, I don't even like the idea of a character's personality being locked like that since I like fluidity of characters and how they interact with the world, but I understand that some people have inclinations towards some actions.

But having some choices being tied to one personality right of the bat without much time to proper develop such personality? It feels weird for me. It's even weirder that Ashe's overall behaviour didn't actually change much, she still acts like herself, but now she just won't make some choices and will prioritize some characters over others? With just ONE CHOICE?
The differences to her base personality after the choice are not gonna bbe apparent on the VERY FIRST update put out after the route split. It makes absolutely 0 sense why you'd want such a drastic character change so quick.
 

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The differences to her base personality after the choice are not gonna bbe apparent on the VERY FIRST update put out after the route split. It makes absolutely 0 sense why you'd want such a drastic character change so quick.
I don't want that, what? I want the exact opposite of that. Didn't you read my comment saying that I disliked a drastic changes on characters personalities and prefer more fluidity?
I just said that it's weird that she is already getting locked out of some choices DESPITE her personality being the same. If her personality is still going to change and she is still the same, why is she getting soft locked out of choices now?

But that's literally the illusion of choice. It don't matter whatever choice regarding her personality we make further down any of the paths if Ashe's personality has already been 'locked' by the route split and that's exactly what's problematic with the routes for me. If I went siren, I can't make Ashe make sub choices or act a little subby from time to time. Same for any other choice. Maybe we can change routes in the future? I'm not sure, but it seems unlikely.
 
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The routes are here to stay. You either take it or leave it. It helps keeping the story focused and coherent on a given route.

If you're dominant, you rarely become a sub and vice versa. "Switch" exist but it's even rarer, and won't be a part of this game.
 

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The routes are here to stay. You either take it or leave it. It helps keeping the story focused and coherent on a given route.

If you're dominant, you rarely become a sub and vice versa. "Switch" exist but it's even rarer, and won't be a part of this game.
I'm not against being in a route given time and choices. I just think it's too early for the game to lock the player in a route, which is why I'm opposed to them in such an early state of the game.
And I don't know what would actually change in the story by not having the routes now, how is it more focused or coherent since we have, essentially, three times the same scene with some characters behaviors actually fully changing from water to wine just because of a different route? That doesn't sound more coherent to me, this actually sounds like it's more work for no apparent reason.

But I not making demands, I not in a position to even make demands here. My first comment was somewhat too agressive and I have been called out for it and apologized. There was no need to be so abrasive on my discontent when I'm overall reaaaally satisfied with the game. But I just pointed what was wrong with the early routes and made some suggestions
And I'm didn't suggest to take any content out of the game in any of my comments, rather my suggestion actually adds more gameplay. I suggested that we should be the ones to eventually guide Ashe's personality to an inclination instead of an early major choice that's going to make our gameplay less dinamic and deep, since Ashe is just going to guide herself to a personality with minimal choice and imput from us, the players.

And I also never said you would become a submissive subby sub. But sub characters can make dominant choices and have dominant behavior, same for dom characters. And I don't think switches are that rare.
 
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