VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Geralt From Rivia]

Because it comes out of nowhere. I thought she was joining a dating site, and starting a blog, and moving on. But the Maya issue is also resolved poorly, since your previous choices didn't amount to much. Maya at least gets a resolution (i.e. makes money to have her own loan, has a talk with her dad). If you didn't get the contract last episode, then there's a +5/-5 Maya/Josy or Josy/Maya choice, implying that someone here is going to dislike the MC in some way. (And getting the contract should be a +5/+5 to both, or something similar.) Which could work as a throuple conflict, which is what we expect. But instead of DPC doing that, even if Josy is favoured, she still goes wah. If you went the throuple and date route with Josy, and the 2nd date of "I love you", she still goes wah.

It's silly because most young adults are trying to figure themselves out anyway in post-sec school, but not to the point of emotional or identity confusion. Or at least not someone with a supposedly healthy personality like Josy, who's willing to have BDSM throuple sex, or who should already be mature enough to accept liking two people at once, encouraging Maya to get a tongue ring, has a blog, gives fashion advice, etc. But now, for some reason, she's confused about her life, and thus: can admit she still has a crush, but can't admit she loves Maya because...wah?

Without doing a proper score check in Episode 11 for an actual "change" or whatever, we don't know what a "Polygamous Shiftie" is to Josy. No buildup of the longest standing -- and probalby the most mature -- girl who, aside from still pining for MC, seemed totally cool until now, even joining a dating site? (Or whatever that profile thing was last episode or so?) No matter what you do, Josy has problems out of nowhere. When previously, we thought it was because we weren't on her path/throuple path, and she's still has a crush (which she admits to. Who knew having a crush makes you question your path in life? Oh wait it doesn't.)

She's now just another Zoey, whose character arc we've already seen completed.

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For me, DPC's biggest mistake is that he didn't write development arc and personality for Josy from the very beginning. She was just an addition to Maya and her problems, a kind of DLC for a polyamorous experiment. Now, if Maya's problems are solved with a good outcome, then what's next?
DPC is trying to quickly write something for her, come up with a hobby and a new drama: identity crisis Josy "I don't know who I am", "I don't know if I love Maya", "I'm unhappy". Some cheap fast-written drama. It looks boring in comparison with a bunch of other LIs with their complex personalities and tragic backstories, Josy looks lost here among this variety of wonderful characters.
Even if we compare two dates - Josy and Maya on Throuple route, which starting to branch on auto: Maya's is a huge W.
And comparing her with Zoey, they are completely different characters. Zoey story is about unspoken words that were needed in time and an attempt to return to the past, but unlike Josy, she is interesting, cool, talented, bright against the background of other LIs. This is a girl with you want to take a beer and have a heart-to-heart talk about life, easy vibing with her.

 

[Krytax123]

For me, DPC's biggest mistake is that he didn't write development arc and personality for Josy from the very beginning. She was just an addition to Maya and her problems, a kind of DLC for a polyamorous experiment. Now, if Maya's problems are solved with a good outcome, then what's next?
DPC is trying to quickly write something for her, come up with a hobby and a new drama: identity crisis Josy "I don't know who I am", "I don't know if I love Maya", "I'm unhappy". Some cheap fast-written drama. It looks boring in comparison with a bunch of other LIs with their complex personalities and tragic backstories, Josy looks lost here among this variety of wonderful characters.
Even if we compare two dates - Josy and Maya on Throuple route, which starting to branch on auto: Maya's is a huge W.
And comparing her with Zoey, they are completely different characters. Zoey story is about unspoken words that were needed in time and an attempt to return to the past, but unlike Josy, she is interesting, cool, talented, bright against the background of other LIs. This is a girl with you want to take a beer and have a heart-to-heart talk about life, easy vibing with her.

Josy should have just stayed the easy-going girl-next-door from the beginning, a tremolo/josy relationship doesnt even need big drama to move forward at this point anymore

But she turned into so much of a nothing burger, additionally got suddenly insecure and shallow and starts the worst hobby possible, ugh

 

[ArmoredCascade]

who is the Santa?

 

[Chillout1984]

who is the Santa?

Ida, the catfish from Swyper and Micha's fat "friend".

 

[jaxofalltrades]

Because it comes out of nowhere. I thought she was joining a dating site, and starting a blog, and moving on. But the Maya issue is also resolved poorly, since your previous choices didn't amount to much. Maya at least gets a resolution (i.e. makes money to have her own loan, has a talk with her dad). If you didn't get the contract last episode, then there's a +5/-5 Maya/Josy or Josy/Maya choice, implying that someone here is going to dislike the MC in some way. (And getting the contract should be a +5/+5 to both, or something similar.) Which could work as a throuple conflict, which is what we expect. But instead of DPC doing that, even if Josy is favoured, she still goes wah. If you went the throuple and date route with Josy, and the 2nd date of "I love you", she still goes wah.

It's silly because most young adults are trying to figure themselves out anyway in post-sec school, but not to the point of emotional or identity confusion. Or at least not someone with a supposedly healthy personality like Josy, who's willing to have BDSM throuple sex, or who should already be mature enough to accept liking two people at once, encouraging Maya to get a tongue ring, has a blog, gives fashion advice, etc. But now, for some reason, she's confused about her life, and thus: can admit she still has a crush, but can't admit she loves Maya because...wah?

Without doing a proper score check in Episode 11 for an actual "change" or whatever, we don't know what a "Polygamous Shiftie" is to Josy. No buildup of the longest standing -- and probalby the most mature -- girl who, aside from still pining for MC, seemed totally cool until now, even joining a dating site? (Or whatever that profile thing was last episode or so?) No matter what you do, Josy has problems out of nowhere. When previously, we thought it was because we weren't on her path/throuple path, and she's still has a crush (which she admits to. Who knew having a crush makes you question your path in life? Oh wait it doesn't.)

What's your definition of mature? Because Josy never seemed the most mature to me. She encouraged "destruction of property" lol drawing on Steve's employee of the month pic. Then she wanted to move away from it all because B&R was taking too long to accept her from the waitlist...sure she's tried to be supportive of Maya but that alone doesn't prove her being the most mature. Unless you're saying most mature compared to Maya? I mean, it's not mature to just go along with whatever the MC decides in terms of the possible throuple relationship because she was afraid of being alone.

The profile thing was Josy's Rooster account since there was a rooster on her screen. I know she cheats on Maya with the MC early on but why would you think she joined a dating site when no matter what she's still technically in a relationship with at least Maya?

For me, DPC's biggest mistake is that he didn't write development arc and personality for Josy from the very beginning. She was just an addition to Maya and her problems, a kind of DLC for a polyamorous experiment. Now, if Maya's problems are solved with a good outcome, then what's next?
DPC is trying to quickly write something for her, come up with a hobby and a new drama: identity crisis Josy "I don't know who I am", "I don't know if I love Maya", "I'm unhappy". Some cheap fast-written drama. It looks boring in comparison with a bunch of other LIs with their complex personalities and tragic backstories, Josy looks lost here among this variety of wonderful characters.
Even if we compare two dates - Josy and Maya on Throuple route, which starting to branch on auto: Maya's is a huge W.
And comparing her with Zoey, they are completely different characters. Zoey story is about unspoken words that were needed in time and an attempt to return to the past, but unlike Josy, she is interesting, cool, talented, bright against the background of other LIs. This is a girl with you want to take a beer and have a heart-to-heart talk about life, easy vibing with her.

Josy should have just stayed the easy-going girl-next-door from the beginning, a tremolo/josy relationship doesnt even need big drama to move forward at this point anymore

But she turned into so much of a nothing burger, additionally got suddenly insecure and shallow and starts the worst hobby possible, ugh

I'd argue that Josy came off as insecure early on (in her relationships, her future before she got accepted to B&R, and her height insecurity). But yeah DPC didn't really develop her enough so now it feels like her crisis storyline came out of nowhere.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Josy should have just stayed the easy-going girl-next-door from the beginning, a tremolo/josy relationship doesnt even need big drama to move forward at this point anymore

But she turned into so much of a nothing burger, additionally got suddenly insecure and shallow and starts the worst hobby possible, ugh

You see, for a game of this caliber, this is not enough.
We have:
Sage. Girl with a tragic story, abandoned by her biological family and now losing a second family in her life. The greatest fear is to be afraid of being abandoned. The path in relationships is the development of self-control and harmony. A natural leader, a party girl at first glance, but in her soul a person with high moral qualities and a philanthropist.

Bella. The only woman-mystery and a set of psychological problems with weird secrets. Wants to feel young and alive again.

Jill. A princess from the tower who gradually socializes and learns about the world around her. Daughter of rich parents who overprotect her and set high expectations of her, tried to "reprogram" her after the death of her rebellious sister. Image of a "good girl" who rebels a little. But not without problems, downgrade in writing in the second season.

Maya. The "Set her free" storyline with another tragedy. Has goals in life, living in a troubled family gave her the motivation to help other families - for this she went to college.

And then we have Josy, just a girl next door who doesn't know who she is. This is weak. This would be okay for any mediocre college novel with flat and empty characters, there are dozens of this kind of games, but not for BaDIK.

And I'm not talking about the side girls, who are now opening up no worse than the main group.

 

[Krytax123]

You see, for a game of this caliber, this is not enough.
We have:
Sage. Girl with a tragic story, abandoned by her biological family and now losing a second family in her life. The greatest fear is to be afraid of being abandoned. The path in relationships is the development of self-control and harmony. A natural leader, a party girl at first glance, but in her soul a person with high moral qualities and a philanthropist.

Bella. The only woman-mystery and a set of psychological problems with weird secrets. Wants to feel young and alive again.

Jill. A princess from the tower who gradually socializes and learns about the world around her. Daughter of rich parents who overprotect her and set high expectations of her, tried to "reprogram" her after the death of her rebellious sister. Image of a "good girl" who rebels a little. But not without problems, downgrade in writing in the second season.

Maya. The "Set her free" storyline with another tragedy. Has goals in life, living in a troubled family gave her the motivation to help other families - for this she went to college.

And then we have Josy, just a girl next door who doesn't know who she is. This is weak. And I'm not talking about the side girls, who are now opening up no worse than the main group.

Nah i think its the opposite and would make her stand out on her own.

Not every girl you meet irl is troubled with tragedys, heartbreat and whatever, some are just easy going and fun lol

Imo it would be a refreshing difference between all the (fake) minor drama of the girls. Just give some enjoyable couple time similar to the perfect sage route. Their can still be minor annoyances like her mom and stepmom if you want it so badly

 

[Blue Milk]

Because it comes out of nowhere.

It absolutely does not come out of nowhere. It's been plainly obvious for ages that Josy was a follower, someone who would just go along with the group and didn't have much of a voice or identity of her own. People were saying this for years, that she's setting aside a lot of her own needs because she felt like her focus needed to be on helping Maya, and then she acknowledges exactly this in Ep 11, proving all those people right.

It's why Oscar's words cut her so deep in Ep 9 because it was dripping with a truth no-one had ever confronted her with before, and so realising herself that she is a bit of blank slate, she's trying to find something that she can be passionate about, that can be of interest to her, and can give her an identity that's not just the generic happy-go-lucky party girl she was trying to be before.

It's silly because most young adults are trying to figure themselves out anyway in post-sec school, but not to the point of emotional or identity confusion.

Except that literally can happen for people in college. A lot of them come out of school with a certain personal identity but then in college, they're back to square one and who they were in high school doesn't generally work in college so reevaluation, reinvention, growth, and change is necessary and it can lead to an identity crisis in terms of figuring out who they really are and who they're going to be.

College is a massive journey of exploration in that regard.

Or at least not someone with a supposedly healthy personality like Josy

Buddy, if you'd actually recognised how much she was struggling, which was clearly displayed, you wouldn't be saying this. Too many people, it seems, were blind to the obvious personal struggle going on within her and mistook what she was porjecting, the happy-go-lucky party girl, as her whole persona when it wasn't. That's what she projected to the world but inside she was lost and hurting and Ep 11 revealed what was already there.

But now, for some reason, she's confused about her life, and thus: can admit she still has a crush, but can't admit she loves Maya because...wah?

Again, not "for some reason", it's always been there. She just finally reached the point where she had to get it out her system and that's due to Maya's issues, the thing that was holding Josy from herself, being resolved. She's lost right now because for so long, her life was all about being there for someone else that she never took time for herself and now she has the opportunity to do so.

DPC is trying to quickly write something for her, come up with a hobby and a new drama: identity crisis Josy "I don't know who I am", "I don't know if I love Maya", "I'm unhappy". Some cheap fast-written drama. It looks boring in comparison with a bunch of other LIs with their complex personalities and tragic backstories, Josy looks lost here among this variety of wonderful characters.

I don't believe this is being quickly written, because as I've been saying, this has been something of Josy's since the very beginning, being unsure of herself and her direction. If anything, I'd say it's just finally being addressed and if people didn't see this coming for her then they weren't paying very close attention.

 

[DarkLords00]

Josy should have just stayed the easy-going girl-next-door from the beginning, a tremolo/josy relationship doesnt even need big drama to move forward at this point anymore

But she turned into so much of a nothing burger, additionally got suddenly insecure and shallow and starts the worst hobby possible, ugh

I love that btw xD

Josy: " How dare that Asshole at a party lash out after I rejected him and tell me how I'm just a basic bitch??!?! I'm going to prove him wrong by choosing to invest time money and effort into one of the most basic bitch hobby I can think of! "

If nothing else she is very funny.

 

[Blue Milk]

Josy should have just stayed the easy-going girl-next-door from the beginning, a tremolo/josy relationship doesnt even need big drama to move forward at this point anymore

But she turned into so much of a nothing burger, additionally got suddenly insecure and shallow and starts the worst hobby possible, ugh

That "easy-going girl-next-door" was a front, a smokescreen to hide the insecure, directionless, scared girl she actually is and always was and so many of you failed to pick up on this.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I don't believe this is being quickly written, because as I've been saying, this has been something of Josy's since the very beginning, being unsure of herself and her direction. If anything, I'd say it's just finally being addressed and if people didn't see this coming for her then they weren't paying very close attention.

So you think that her main arc of "finding her identity" was planned from the very beginning? DPC really skimped on his talent in writing the characters here.

 

[BigTTiger]

Ida, the catfish from Swyper and Micha's fat "friend".

Don't you mean fatfish

 

[Chillout1984]

So you think that her main arc of "finding her identity" was planned from the very beginning? DPC really skimped on his talent in writing the characters here.

Imo that main arc was indeed planned from the beginning, but maybe not by becoming an influencer. My guess is that is just one of the many smaller side stories that writers decide upon while they're writing the story. It's also fitting: Many people who don't truly know who they are or want to do become influencers in modern times, at least for a while before they finally found "their true calling".

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Imo that main arc was indeed planned from the beginning, but maybe not by becoming an influencer. My guess is that is just one of the many smaller side stories that writers decide upon while they're writing the story. It's also fitting: Many people who don't truly know who they are or want to do become influencers in modern times, at least for a while before they finally found "their true calling".

Me: What do you do for a living?
She: I'm an influencer!
Me [Trying to impress her]: Cool, I'm unemployed too

 

[BigTTiger]

I think Bianca's going to make the connection of MC being Lynette's son because when she gets the pictures, from the ski trip she's going to see the monkey face MC's making and refer back to her mother's picture with her friend's outside Jill's now family home.

 

[Chillout1984]

Me: What do you do for a living?
She: I'm an influencer!
Me [Trying to impress her]: Cool, I'm unemployed too

She's a student though, she doesn't necessarily need a job yet.

 

[Blue Milk]

So you think that her main arc of "finding her identity" was planned from the very beginning? DPC really skimped on his talent in writing the characters here.

Yes, because insecurity and uncertainty was baked in from very early on and you can see it in Eps 1 & 2.

The reason that y'all seem so mad that it's "coming out of nowhere", which it isn't, is that a) you didn't pick up on the signs throughout the game, and b) you don't seem to realise how much she was putting her own life, her own self, on hold for Maya, a fact she acknoweldges in Ep 11 because that's exactly what she was doing this whole time. The fact that she was doing this is precisely why she hasn't had much development on her own because she putting someone else before herself and thus holding herself back from her own personal growth as well as even finding her voice, and again, it was plain to see this.

DPC didn't forget about her, he's not scrambling to make something for her with this quest to find her identity, he wrote her as a self-sacrificing, insecure girl who was so focused on helping Maya with her issue that she lost herself in the process, and now with that issue resolved, she doesn't know where she stands and who she is but now she's working on that and finally letting other people help and be there for her for a change.

 

[Chillout1984]

I think Bianca's going to make the connection of MC being Lynette's son because when she gets the pictures, from the ski trip she's going to see the monkey face MC's making and refer back to her mother's picture with her friend's outside Jill's now family home.

That is if she indeed is Miranda's daughter (imo 99% certain) and remembers the picture of her mother.

 

[ArmoredCascade]

i can't stop laughing at Sage's Walk of Shame! hahaha

 

[Krytax123]

I think Bianca's going to make the connection of MC being Lynette's son because when she gets the pictures, from the ski trip she's going to see the monkey face MC's making and refer back to her mother's picture with her friend's outside Jill's now family home.

I doubt it, the mc's heritage revealed will probably happen in canon and not only on the jill path but maybe it happens at the same time